2019 Rucks

[Nige]

Nank should definitely benefit from the new ruck rules because he gets around the ground a bit and almost acts like an extra mid at times (not as well as Grundy does though), his issue is he just doesn't win enough hitouts because he doesn't really have the leap and normally gets jumped over.

[RaisyDaisy]

Nank should definitely benefit from the new ruck rules because he gets around the ground a bit and almost acts like an extra mid at times (not as well as Grundy does though), his issue is he just doesn't win enough hitouts because he doesn't really have the leap and normally gets jumped over.

Serious question: So how exactly do the new rules benefit him based off that?

If he isn't great at winning HO's, then he probably isn't great at getting first possession either

Not sure what being good around the ground has in common with the new rule  :-\

[shaker]

Nank should definitely benefit from the new ruck rules because he gets around the ground a bit and almost acts like an extra mid at times (not as well as Grundy does though), his issue is he just doesn't win enough hitouts because he doesn't really have the leap and normally gets jumped over.

Serious question: So how exactly do the new rules benefit him based off that?

If he isn't great at winning HO's, then he probably isn't great at getting first possession either

Not sure what being good around the ground has in common with the new rule  :-\

Yeah my Tiges are going to struggle Nank is only 199cm unless he has grown and not the best leap as well he got slaughtered by Grundy in the prelim , the new rules at centre bounces don't benefit us unless Soldo has gone to another level which I doubt so against the big boys it is not looking good  :'(

[ubeaut]

It's no coincidence that the two best rucks in SC at the moment also have two great midfield units around them. It's why I'm not even considering guys like Martin, Witts or Goldstein.

Good point. I think Brisbane will be big improvers this year though, and North have added some midfield depth. Witts on the other hand a definite no.

[Pokerface]

It's no coincidence that the two best rucks in SC at the moment also have two great midfield units around them. It's why I'm not even considering guys like Martin, Witts or Goldstein.

Would that bring Mummy into your consideration then?

[ubeaut]

It's no coincidence that the two best rucks in SC at the moment also have two great midfield units around them. It's why I'm not even considering guys like Martin, Witts or Goldstein.

Would that bring Mummy into your consideration then?

Really love to pick Mumford for 300k odd. He's been in my team. But the reality is he'll be rested at the first sign of  a niggle, has an injury history, may only play 15 or so games, and misses the first 2 games. A lot would have to go right, like Fort covering first 2 games and scoring well, Mummy to play enough games in a row and score well to be able to upgrade to 2nd best ruck.

[frenzy]

people that confident Grundy will repeat the dose?... I'm not, but I'm still in shock at what he produced last season.

He could be the 2019 Dusty Martin flop, but again just imo.

He could be or he could still be the highest scoring ruck again the new rules with less congestion will suit him as he plays like a giant mid anyway , you will be in the minority if you don't start him.

yep you're correct, but 15% of the cap on two $700k rucks is hard to fathom. I don't like paying $600k, let alone $700k. If you start both Max and Grundy, you basically start with 1 less uber mid.

[Pokerface]

It's no coincidence that the two best rucks in SC at the moment also have two great midfield units around them. It's why I'm not even considering guys like Martin, Witts or Goldstein.

Would that bring Mummy into your consideration then?

Really love to pick Mumford for 300k odd. He's been in my team. But the reality is he'll be rested at the first sign of  a niggle, has an injury history, may only play 15 or so games, and misses the first 2 games. A lot would have to go right, like Fort covering first 2 games and scoring well, Mummy to play enough games in a row and score well to be able to upgrade to 2nd best ruck.

Yeah his injury/age/suspension risk is probably a bad example.
Going with the strong mids theme, how do you view English then if you see him as the no.1 ruck (which i do) tapping to Macrae, Libba, Bont etc

[Southstorm]

people that confident Grundy will repeat the dose?... I'm not, but I'm still in shock at what he produced last season.

He could be the 2019 Dusty Martin flop, but again just imo.

He could be or he could still be the highest scoring ruck again the new rules with less congestion will suit him as he plays like a giant mid anyway , you will be in the minority if you don't start him.

yep you're correct, but 15% of the cap on two $700k rucks is hard to fathom. I don't like paying $600k, let alone $700k. If you start both Max and Grundy, you basically start with 1 less uber mid.

You're still starting the same amount of uber players though, and you open up a spot in the line which traditionally has the best rookies and mid price options.

It's no coincidence that the two best rucks in SC at the moment also have two great midfield units around them. It's why I'm not even considering guys like Martin, Witts or Goldstein.

Would that bring Mummy into your consideration then?

Not at all, he's an injury risk and in questionable form after sitting out last year so whether he'll make enough money to be a worthwhile stepping stone is dubious.

Having a great team around you is far from the be-all and end-all of being a well-scoring ruckman but it's definitely a factor which determines the cream of the crop. Gawn & Grundy win hit outs, get involved around the ground AND have good midfielders that can make them look better. No other ruck in the game comes close to these two at the moment, which is why they're both $700k.

[Nige]

Nank should definitely benefit from the new ruck rules because he gets around the ground a bit and almost acts like an extra mid at times (not as well as Grundy does though), his issue is he just doesn't win enough hitouts because he doesn't really have the leap and normally gets jumped over.

Serious question: So how exactly do the new rules benefit him based off that?

If he isn't great at winning HO's, then he probably isn't great at getting first possession either

Not sure what being good around the ground has in common with the new rule  :-\

flower, I cooked this post, I meant to say two different things and somehow made a mess of it. Was busy watching AFLW while I typed this, I'll put it down to that aha.

I meant to say could for starters, not should haha. He's still a pretty strong boy, despite not being able to jump and win taps, but he's always been good at throwing it on his boot or getting a handball out. So instead of tapping, if he can avoid being jumped over and outwrestle his opponent, then he'll at least be able to grab it and get disposals and clearances from the new rule, because he'll have the same prior opportunity as everyone else.

Also meant to say but instead of because. Basically meant to say if he can legally body his oppo ruck out and grab it rather than get jumped over and concde the tap, he can hopefully get more points than he used to which will make him potentially more viable.

[frenzy]

people that confident Grundy will repeat the dose?... I'm not, but I'm still in shock at what he produced last season.

He could be the 2019 Dusty Martin flop, but again just imo.

He could be or he could still be the highest scoring ruck again the new rules with less congestion will suit him as he plays like a giant mid anyway , you will be in the minority if you don't start him.

yep you're correct, but 15% of the cap on two $700k rucks is hard to fathom. I don't like paying $600k, let alone $700k. If you start both Max and Grundy, you basically start with 1 less uber mid.

You're still starting the same amount of uber players though, and you open up a spot in the line which traditionally has the best rookies and mid price options.

??? I'm not quite sure what you're meaning here.

[ben_020285]

If they can remain injury free then Grundy and Gawn will be streets ahead of any other rucks just like last season imo.

If setting and forgetting I think you just have to fork out the cash for them both.

[Pokerface]

If they can remain injury free then Grundy and Gawn will be streets ahead of any other rucks just like last season imo.

If setting and forgetting I think you just have to fork out the cash for them both.

I'd love the same confidence. I have them both right now, but Preuss scares the bejeesus out of me. Melbourne have stated they want to play them both. Makes no sense for Preuss to leave North due to limited opportunity if he wasn't promised more. A couple of years ago when Pederson came in, Gawn fell right away. Hence I'm drilling into some left field options

Grundy on the other hand is locked and loaded.

[elephants]

If they can remain injury free then Grundy and Gawn will be streets ahead of any other rucks just like last season imo.

If setting and forgetting I think you just have to fork out the cash for them both.

I'd love the same confidence. I have them both right now, but Preuss scares the bejeesus out of me. Melbourne have stated they want to play them both. Makes no sense for Preuss to leave North due to limited opportunity if he wasn't promised more. A couple of years ago when Pederson came in, Gawn fell right away. Hence I'm drilling into some left field options

Grundy on the other hand is locked and loaded.

Preuss would have come across with the guarantee of getting games. I suspect a lot of teams will try to mimic the Eagles two ruck set up. Gawn is actually a pretty decent forward (set shot kicking aside) so I wouldn't be that worried about him. He'll spend a little bit less time on ball but he should still take a massive chunk on ball.

I agree with the element of risk though and I'm considering Goldy.

[ben_020285]

If they can remain injury free then Grundy and Gawn will be streets ahead of any other rucks just like last season imo.

If setting and forgetting I think you just have to fork out the cash for them both.

I'd love the same confidence. I have them both right now, but Preuss scares the bejeesus out of me. Melbourne have stated they want to play them both. Makes no sense for Preuss to leave North due to limited opportunity if he wasn't promised more. A couple of years ago when Pederson came in, Gawn fell right away. Hence I'm drilling into some left field options

Grundy on the other hand is locked and loaded.

Preuss would have come across with the guarantee of getting games. I suspect a lot of teams will try to mimic the Eagles two ruck set up. Gawn is actually a pretty decent forward (set shot kicking aside) so I wouldn't be that worried about him. He'll spend a little bit less time on ball but he should still take a massive chunk on ball.

I agree with the element of risk though and I'm considering Goldy.

I think that when Preuss plays, he will impact Gawn’s SC scores in a similar way to how Mason Cox impacted Grundy’s scores last season.

Zero impact.

Happy for others to be scared off though.