2019 Rucks

[GoLions]

wato is just mad that Tim Paine is the 2nd greatest Aussie keeper of all time and won't be dropped from the xi for the rest of his career

[Nige]

wato is just mad that Tim Paine is the 2nd greatest Aussie keeper of all time and won't be dropped from the xi for the rest of his career

flower off, everyone knows Tim Zoehrer is 2nd greatest Aussie keeper of all time behind Gilly.

[Mat0369]

Nank should definitely benefit from the new ruck rules because he gets around the ground a bit and almost acts like an extra mid at times (not as well as Grundy does though), his issue is he just doesn't win enough hitouts because he doesn't really have the leap and normally gets jumped over.

If Richmond want to continue to play Nank a kick out from goal while the ball is in their forward line he may score the same at best. Most of his points come from intercept marks from teams just bombing the ball in his direction.

Fair comment here -  Although Archie Smith did effect Stef a little in that it forced Stef to play more forward. In effect both Stef and Archie pure rucks and makeshift forwards whereas McInerney is a definite F/R.
So what I am saying is that most teams because of the new 6-6-6 set up will be going with 2 rucks so need to pick the premiums who will not be effected by the other forward. Because Preuss is also a forward can see him not effecting Gawn too much. Hope that makes sense what I am saying.

Preuss is most definitely not a forward. Because he couldn't play forward North tried playing Goldstein forward more and that worked out terribly for them.

The 6-6-6 is a complete overreaction as well. Teams are not going to need two legitimate rucks. If they want to move the ball faster in transition the last thing you're going to do is play a Kreuzer/Lobbe combo for example. They will still play their pinch hitter that is just a tall forward that can contest. Like the Crows will play Jenkins, Carlton will use Harry McKay, Freo will play Lobb etc.

Another overreaction is the fact rucks can grab the ball out of the ruck. They can do that before, they just had to dispose of it correctly. The whole reason they added the lose prior opportunity rule was because of the congestion it used to create with guys just grabbing the ball out of the ruck and getting instantly tackled. Stoppage numbers went up, congestion around the ball went up, crappy football ensued. If anything it will see a spike in tackle number for inside mids and a loss in disposal efficiency for rucks.

[elephants]

Yeah, so much conjecture I think my brain is going to explode :P

[Holz]

You're off ya meds if you think Preuss doesn't negatively affect Gawny. Backing up a 130 average is tough as hell, let alone throwing a guy who is a putrid forward and ruck first into the team, you're asking for trouble.

It's gonna be like a 70/30 split if they play Preuss, much more time than Gawn is used to playing elsewhere. Gawn will average 115ish imo, still top 3 but for his price hell no.

Goldy on the other end, the shift has gone the other way. He has no competition. Dropped 5 kegs, fit as hell and over his mental health issues. Priced at low 100's and averaged 110 post bye. He has the scope for 115ish easy. People easily forget how dominant he was. There's a guy who moves flowering well and now has more than enough competent mids around him.

Okay mate, you’re in the Goldy camp at the moment, we get it.

Disagree that somebody is “off their meds” to think that Preuss will have little impact on Gawn’s SC scores.

Preuss is not a forward he is a ruck, if you watch his game if he plays he will be rucking a reasonable abit, whenever a second ruck plays who is actually a ruck and not a ruck fwd hybrid then they suffer.

Goldy is the perfect example in 2011 he averaged 113 in 2013 he averaged 113

in 2012 he had Hmac (a similar player to preuss) at the start of the year and Goldy put up 71 in those games, he did have a down year though putting up 100 as the sole ruck.


Im not saying Gawn will be a flop if preuss is in the side, but its already incredibly difficult to back up a 120+ season. I dont think any ruck has ever done it, let alone if he has to work with a second ruck who left his club due to lack of game time and has a very limited ability as a fwd.

[frenzy]

Preuss to have a huge JLT and the experiment to last about 8 weeks. Come on Dees, you can do it.

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The Demons first 8 games, cannot for the life of me see a reason to play two ruckmen against these. But Preuss has been promised game time. It's baffling.  :o

[_wato]

Round 1 Preuss will play regardless. Lycett/Ryder/Hoff combo.

If Preuss plays well he holds his spot. Simple as that.

^ Holz I completely agree. Never said Gawn is a bad pick and that he won’t average high bc he will. But his price tag is unjustifiable if Preuss is in the team bc he will eat a fair chunk of Gawns ruck time. No way Gawn repeats 120+

[_wato]

Just a quick question here too

What are we all gonna do if Fort is named solo ruck Round 1?? I have a contingency plan in place at this stage as I think him solo ruck with the mids at his feet could see him go 80+ which is nearly too hard to pass up in terms of playing on field.

Two set ups are

Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
Danger Heeney Gray Greene Rooks

OR

Grundy, Fort (Bines)
Danger Hoff Heeney Gray Greene Rook

What do we think?

[kilbluff1985]

Just a quick question here too

What are we all gonna do if Fort is named solo ruck Round 1?? I have a contingency plan in place at this stage as I think him solo ruck with the mids at his feet could see him go 80+ which is nearly too hard to pass up in terms of playing on field.

Two set ups are

Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
Danger Heeney Gray Greene Rooks

OR

Grundy, Fort (Bines)
Danger Hoff Heeney Gray Greene Rook

What do we think?

tempting structure

[Nige]

One point that I think it at least worth thinking about and potentially discussing is the fact the Geelong's ruck situation is pretty uncertain. Sure, Fort's a good chance and reportedly battling it out with Rhys Stanley for the no.1 spot, but then there's Abbott who did fairly well in the few games he got towards the end of the year. Last but not least is Zac Smith, probably not that relevant to the conversation since it appears he's 4th in line, but he's still on the list and that means he could still be named.

The other part of this conversation is the fact Geelong loves a late change, there was this article last year and I think there may have been another stat at the end of the year (whether it was in article or on Twitter) and Geelong were ahead of everyone else by some margin.

If, for example, Fort was named as their sole ruck but Stanley was an emergency and then came in as a late change, what happens to Fort's scoring? Other scenarios include both being named and playing together, both being named and one getting dropped or one replacing the other.

Fort's getting games, we know that much, but I think there's a few too many questions to pick Fort as R2 when he's a much safer R3.

[shaker]

Just a quick question here too

What are we all gonna do if Fort is named solo ruck Round 1?? I have a contingency plan in place at this stage as I think him solo ruck with the mids at his feet could see him go 80+ which is nearly too hard to pass up in terms of playing on field.

Two set ups are

Grundy, Goldy (Fort)
Danger Heeney Gray Greene Rooks

OR

Grundy, Fort (Bines)
Danger Hoff Heeney Gray Greene Rook

What do we think?

Fort at R3 is where I'll be playing him two reasons first he is untried at AFL level we will see him in JLT but JLT is still not the season proper
Secondly I am not interested in paying that much for ruck cover in the Hoff as he looks like not getting much ruck time this year so his scoring might go back a bit
So Fort if he plays will be used as a stepping stone for a prem somewhere else

[ubeaut]

I've toyed with the Fort R2, Hoff fwd combo. But to me it seems like I'm just picking Hoff over either Goldy/Martin or Gray/Dunkley/Kelly etc. Is he worth the 550k over those guys?

[GoLions]

wato is talkin' smack

Just took Gawn pick 2 in SC draft, don't listen to a word he says

[Holz]

wato is talkin' smack

Just took Gawn pick 2 in SC draft, don't listen to a word he says

Id probably take him pick 2 in my draft too even though im starting Goldy.

If Gawn can pump out 115 as a ruck then he is worthy of pick 2 in the draft. Doesnt mean he is worth paying 700k+ for

[RaisyDaisy]

I've toyed with the Fort R2, Hoff fwd combo. But to me it seems like I'm just picking Hoff over either Goldy/Martin or Gray/Dunkley/Kelly etc. Is he worth the 550k over those guys?

This sums it up

You need Hoff if doing Fort at R2, and what happens if Fort is dropped after a couple of games? You've then got Hoff permanently at R2 and Fort rotting away at F8 leaving for your forward line exposed

If you want to get risky here and play Fort at R2, then instead of having Hoff in the forwards as cover, grab a cheap hack ruck with good JS like Longer for R3 - yeah it's more money sitting on the pine but added up it's still way less than Gawn/Hoff etc and gives you cover, albeit not great scoring cover

Better yet, just set and forget :)