2019 Rucks

[RaisyDaisy]

Does Archie Smith/McInerney impact Stef's scoring much when they play?

Did Lycett impact NicNat's scoring much?

We know Cox doesn't impact Grundy at all

Is Preuss really going to impact Gawn that much then?

[elephants]

Does Archie Smith/McInerney impact Stef's scoring much when they play?

Did Lycett impact NicNat's scoring much?

We know Cox doesn't impact Grundy at all

Is Preuss really going to impact Gawn that much then?

Preuss did effect Goldy massively back in 2017.

Cox is a fwd first then very occasional chop out. Grundy is a different beast.

I havent seen the stats (I'll check tonight) but I dont think Nic Nat has rucked alone much at all? He needs the support tbh and his impact around the ball probably keeps his SC scores inflated

Omac was a first year player, I suspect the impact of him will be felt more and more as his career progresses and he takes bigger ruck chunks

The point you make is valid but I feel like we theres still cause of concern

[RaisyDaisy]

I was legit just asking - not trying to say that Preuss won't impact him

Probably should have worded it better, but I was just throwing up those examples as I honestly don't know

NN gets scores around the ground, but I feel like Gawn is just as good as that and not just reliant on ruck work

[Ringo]

Does Archie Smith/McInerney impact Stef's scoring much when they play?

Did Lycett impact NicNat's scoring much?

We know Cox doesn't impact Grundy at all

Is Preuss really going to impact Gawn that much then?

Fair comment here -  Although Archie Smith did effect Stef a little in that it forced Stef to play more forward. In effect both Stef and Archie pure rucks and makeshift forwards whereas McInerney is a definite F/R.
So what I am saying is that most teams because of the new 6-6-6 set up will be going with 2 rucks so need to pick the premiums who will not be effected by the other forward. Because Preuss is also a forward can see him not effecting Gawn too much. Hope that makes sense what I am saying.

[Pokerface]

Stef was one of the worst affected - when Archie played he plummeted. Goldy too when Preuss played. I guess in the ruck/forward pendulum Preuss is somewhere between the Archie ruck and Cox forward - but I'm not sure where.
But we do know Pederson affected Gawn 2 years ago.
It may well not hurt him. Most likely won't. But if I'm forking out 690k I want a rolled gold guarantee.

[_wato]

You're off ya meds if you think Preuss doesn't negatively affect Gawny. Backing up a 130 average is tough as hell, let alone throwing a guy who is a putrid forward and ruck first into the team, you're asking for trouble.

It's gonna be like a 70/30 split if they play Preuss, much more time than Gawn is used to playing elsewhere. Gawn will average 115ish imo, still top 3 but for his price hell no.

Goldy on the other end, the shift has gone the other way. He has no competition. Dropped 5 kegs, fit as hell and over his mental health issues. Priced at low 100's and averaged 110 post bye. He has the scope for 115ish easy. People easily forget how dominant he was. There's a guy who moves flowering well and now has more than enough competent mids around him.

[frenzy]

Does Archie Smith/McInerney impact Stef's scoring much when they play?

Did Lycett impact NicNat's scoring much?

We know Cox doesn't impact Grundy at all

Is Preuss really going to impact Gawn that much then?

Preuss did effect Goldy massively back in 2017.

Cox is a fwd first then very occasional chop out. Grundy is a different beast.

I havent seen the stats (I'll check tonight) but I dont think Nic Nat has rucked alone much at all? He needs the support tbh and his impact around the ball probably keeps his SC scores inflated

Omac was a first year player, I suspect the impact of him will be felt more and more as his career progresses and he takes bigger ruck chunks

The point you make is valid but I feel like we theres still cause of concern

Goldy's issues was'nt Preuss in 2017

[RaisyDaisy]

You're off ya meds if you think Preuss doesn't negatively affect Gawny. Backing up a 130 average is tough as hell, let alone throwing a guy who is a putrid forward and ruck first into the team, you're asking for trouble.

It's gonna be like a 70/30 split if they play Preuss, much more time than Gawn is used to playing elsewhere. Gawn will average 115ish imo, still top 3 but for his price hell no.

Goldy on the other end, the shift has gone the other way. He has no competition. Dropped 5 kegs, fit as hell and over his mental health issues. Priced at low 100's and averaged 110 post bye. He has the scope for 115ish easy. People easily forget how dominant he was. There's a guy who moves flowering well and now has more than enough competent mids around him.

If someone said to you that Gawn is going to average 120 and Goldy is going to average 110. Who would you start?

I see huge value in Goldy, I really do. My only concern is, if he ends up being 10+ppg behind Grundy/Gawn. Grundy is locked at R1 and I've had Gawn at R2 for most of the summer but Goldy is the only other ruck I'd consider

I just don't want to get stuck like last year, where Goldy was doing enough to stay but I was still losing so much points for not having the other 2. You're never going to sideways in that case because there's always other things that are more important

[Woppa15]

You're off ya meds if you think Preuss doesn't negatively affect Gawny. Backing up a 130 average is tough as hell, let alone throwing a guy who is a putrid forward and ruck first into the team, you're asking for trouble.

It's gonna be like a 70/30 split if they play Preuss, much more time than Gawn is used to playing elsewhere. Gawn will average 115ish imo, still top 3 but for his price hell no.

Goldy on the other end, the shift has gone the other way. He has no competition. Dropped 5 kegs, fit as hell and over his mental health issues. Priced at low 100's and averaged 110 post bye. He has the scope for 115ish easy. People easily forget how dominant he was. There's a guy who moves flowering well and now has more than enough competent mids around him.

Now where have I heard this before, that’s right, last year. I went Gawn Goldy last year and it bombed my season from the outset. I was stuck with Goldy the whole year. Yes he completely turned it around in the second half of the year but how do we know he is going to continue in that vein and not bomb out again..... I agree Grundy and Gawn will be top 3 but also agree that could be in the 112-120 mark and be cause for a huge loss in $

[_wato]

If someone said take Goldy 110 for 550k v Gawn 120 at very very best for 690k I’d take the 140k and turn Heeney into Danger for example. It’s all relative. And the biggest thing going into this year v any other year is we’ve never had TWO rucks go 130. Absolutely the slimmest chance of repeating or going close, hence looking for value is required.

[_wato]

And is anyone forgetting the fact that Gawn since being clear #1 ruck has gone 13, 22, 13, 22 games played with an average of 102, 118, 92, 128? Who says this won’t again be a down year? Huge injury history.

[RaisyDaisy]

And is anyone forgetting the fact that Gawn since being clear #1 ruck has gone 13, 22, 13, 22 games played with an average of 102, 118, 92, 128? Who says this won’t again be a down year? Huge injury history.

So that basically says when he is injury free he plays 22 games and has a huge average, so as long as he's preseason has been spot on like it has we should be good?

[ubeaut]

And is anyone forgetting the fact that Gawn since being clear #1 ruck has gone 13, 22, 13, 22 games played with an average of 102, 118, 92, 128? Who says this won’t again be a down year? Huge injury history.

Exactly. And it follows with that injury history that Melbourne will now have the luxury of resting Gawn at the first sign of a niggle, whereas before he would probably have played.

[quinny88]

Last night I shifted my team around around to have Grundy and Gawn for the first time and now I've read this and wanna reverse it  ;D

[ben_020285]

You're off ya meds if you think Preuss doesn't negatively affect Gawny. Backing up a 130 average is tough as hell, let alone throwing a guy who is a putrid forward and ruck first into the team, you're asking for trouble.

It's gonna be like a 70/30 split if they play Preuss, much more time than Gawn is used to playing elsewhere. Gawn will average 115ish imo, still top 3 but for his price hell no.

Goldy on the other end, the shift has gone the other way. He has no competition. Dropped 5 kegs, fit as hell and over his mental health issues. Priced at low 100's and averaged 110 post bye. He has the scope for 115ish easy. People easily forget how dominant he was. There's a guy who moves flowering well and now has more than enough competent mids around him.

Okay mate, you’re in the Goldy camp at the moment, we get it.

Disagree that somebody is “off their meds” to think that Preuss will have little impact on Gawn’s SC scores.