Justin Westhoff

[ubeaut]

yep, costs too much and won't be needing RUC coverage.

That's the thing though. Ruck coverage is invaluable.
How do you know u won't need it?
I guess you mean u won't be starting Mummy or Kreuz so it's less likely that you'll need it.
But we were lucky last season with ruck injuries.
Say u start Grundy and Gawn, and Gawn goes down with a 1-3 week injury. What do you do? Cop a few donuts or trade him out then back in again?
The only thing going for Hoff is his DPP but it's a potentially big thing.

[RaisyDaisy]

yep, costs too much and won't be needing RUC coverage.

That's the thing though. Ruck coverage is invaluable.
How do you know u won't need it?
I guess you mean u won't be starting Mummy or Kreuz so it's less likely that you'll need it.
But we were lucky last season with ruck injuries.
Say u start Grundy and Gawn, and Gawn goes down with a 1-3 week injury. What do you do? Cop a few donuts or trade him out then back in again?
The only thing going for Hoff is his DPP but it's a potentially big thing.

If one of my starting rucks goes down with a short term injury, that's when I'll be bringing Hoff into my forward line

If it happens mid/late season then there's every chance it's an easy play. If it happens early, then I burn a sideways trade on a prem forward I guess, shower happens

Either way, I see no need in starting Hoff, and as long as my 2 rucks are fit that'll b fine and I'll cross this bridge if I get there, but it's an easy fix either way, and Hoff should be cheaper by then too

[frenzy]

yep, costs too much and won't be needing RUC coverage.

That's the thing though. Ruck coverage is invaluable.
How do you know u won't need it?
I guess you mean u won't be starting Mummy or Kreuz so it's less likely that you'll need it.
But we were lucky last season with ruck injuries.
Say u start Grundy and Gawn, and Gawn goes down with a 1-3 week injury. What do you do? Cop a few donuts or trade him out then back in again?
The only thing going for Hoff is his DPP but it's a potentially big thing.

starting expensive rucks and just using a trade if needed. At $550K I would want a 105ish ave. and don't think the Hoff could deliver. Suppose what I'm trying to say is I think the Hoff would be an expensive 85-90 ave. and I could pick him up when the price falls.

[ubeaut]

yep, costs too much and won't be needing RUC coverage.

That's the thing though. Ruck coverage is invaluable.
How do you know u won't need it?
I guess you mean u won't be starting Mummy or Kreuz so it's less likely that you'll need it.
But we were lucky last season with ruck injuries.
Say u start Grundy and Gawn, and Gawn goes down with a 1-3 week injury. What do you do? Cop a few donuts or trade him out then back in again?
The only thing going for Hoff is his DPP but it's a potentially big thing.

If one of my starting rucks goes down with a short term injury, that's when I'll be bringing Hoff into my forward line

If it happens mid/late season then there's every chance it's an easy play. If it happens early, then I burn a sideways trade on a prem forward I guess, shower happens

Either way, I see no need in starting Hoff, and as long as my 2 rucks are fit that'll b fine and I'll cross this bridge if I get there, but it's an easy fix either way, and Hoff should be cheaper by then too

Fair enough. But I guess timing is the key.
If it happens when there's no rookie/s close to culling time then you're in trouble cash wise.
Even if there's ripe rookies, one to upgrade to Hoff, one to downgrade to get the cash (and of course there has to be a rookie on the bubble to bring in) what if you're then missing out on a Wingard(as an example) who u had planned to bring in cos they're killing it and about to sky rocket in price?
As for burning a trade on a premo early, you'd hate to trade a Smith/Heeney while they're pumping out 100s,then having to get them back in, possibly at a much higher price.
Sure it could be an "easy fix" but there's also a good chance it won't be, we know how the supercoach gods throw multiple curve balls at once.
Guess I'm just playing devil's advocate. Ruck coverage is important given only one reserve spot who is usually a non playing loophole.
Can't say I'm overly keen on spending 550k for a 90 point return,taking a precious fwd spot with so many options there, but I'd also like to have cover.
I hope Fort and Clarke both somehow play but that's asking a bit much.

[RaisyDaisy]

Fort is an outside chance, but you'd have to say doubtful for the time being

For the most part, Grundy, Gawn, Stef and Goldy have all proven to be quite durable, so let's just hope they can stay on the park and not miss, but if they do, well then we just have to deal with that when it happens and assess the options

I'm not prepared to change the look of my overall side, just to fit in Hoff at his price. I'll roll the dice

I certainly think Hoff comes into my side eventually anyway, but hopefully the rucks I start can get through the first 8-10 rounds unscathed

[_wato]

I think all our troubles could be solved by ROB.

Reading across a lot of Adelaide supporter forums and comments on social media and it seems to be common that they all want him playing 10-15 games this year as this could very well be Sauce’s last dance. If he gets game no worries

[shaker]

I think all our troubles could be solved by ROB.

Reading across a lot of Adelaide supporter forums and comments on social media and it seems to be common that they all want him playing 10-15 games this year as this could very well be Sauce’s last dance. If he gets game no worries

Also Preuss can't see why he left a club where he was not getting a game to join another and be in the same situation think he is going to get games , a bit expensive for bench cover but better than nothing

[GoLions]

I think all our troubles could be solved by ROB.

Reading across a lot of Adelaide supporter forums and comments on social media and it seems to be common that they all want him playing 10-15 games this year as this could very well be Sauce’s last dance. If he gets game no worries

Also Preuss can't see why he left a club where he was not getting a game to join another and be in the same situation think he is going to get games , a bit expensive for bench cover but better than nothing

Wants VFL success

[Ricochet]

I think all our troubles could be solved by ROB.

Reading across a lot of Adelaide supporter forums and comments on social media and it seems to be common that they all want him playing 10-15 games this year as this could very well be Sauce’s last dance. If he gets game no worries

Also Preuss can't see why he left a club where he was not getting a game to join another and be in the same situation think he is going to get games , a bit expensive for bench cover but better than nothing

All about financial security for him.

[maygs]

If you're worried about ruck coverage, then pick Stef.  From memory he's only missed one game since 2016 - when he got knocked out.  I could be wrong about the number, so no need to shoot me, but my point is it isn't many.  From memory, Gawn is not far behind in reliability and Big Boy is pretty reliable too.  They may not score like a Gawn/Goldy combo but a Gawn/Stef or Gawn/Big Boy combo will score well (and cheaper) and do it every week - no need for the Hoff roller coaster.

My 2 cents

[Mat0369]

Hoff and Ebert are expected to play mostly forward and rotate through the mids. I think once Dixon is back he could push up thr ground.

Interesting one I read is Ryder will play forward with only small stints in the ruck. He has trained exclusively with the forwards since Lycett has arrived.

[sammy123]

I have taken westhoff out of my side for the moment. Interested to see how he goes with lycett amd ryder playing

[djtranny]

Big Westy might come in for me, depends whether I go with 2 rookie rucks which is looking less likely now tbh

[Wanderer]

I currently have Danger, Heeney, Menegola. I really want to get Hoff as Ruck backup (with Bines as R3) to give me some peace of mind but would have to drop Menegola.

It really comes down to how much more Menegola (or Kelly, Smith, Dunkley, etc.) will score on a weekly basis versus Westhoff. I can't see any more than a 5-10 point average difference between them at this stage unless the Hoff drops his average below 90 this year.

Menegola and Kelly have shown they can average 90-100 points a game but with Danger, Selwood, Duncan, Ablett all likely to score over 100 per game, there are question marks as to whether there are enough points to go around.

Dunkley might not be playing as much in the mids with Libba back and Shiel will eat into Smith's usage potentially.

I can't see the alternatives in the 500k range having a big enough advantage over the Hoff unless the Hoff's average drops below the 90's this year.

So the question is will his average drop below 90, and if so, it might be worth waiting until an injury actually happens to your rucks before you get him in at a lower price, otherwise it's better just to get him in from the start and not have to be forced to make a trade you might not be happy with later to avoid a donut.

[kilbluff1985]

think u will get him cheaper

i do plan to get him at F5/F6 after the rnd 12 bye