Mid Price Options 2019

[elephants]

Forget all these scrubs, get some Adam Tomlinson in the team!

[RaisyDaisy]

For everyone who still has Toby Greene in their side - I think it might be time to restructure and move on

“It’s a week-by-week thing but it’s going in the right direction,” he told The Daily Telegraph.

“So hopefully in the next four to six weeks I’ll be training with the boys."

[SilverLion]

What do people think Libba and  Miles will realistically average?


Can honestly see both going 100+

Finally, when he was firing, Richmond were a finals team, GC won't win too many games so hard to see him tonning up too often, maybe once every 3-4 games. Based on price I think he's a good pick but I don't think he'll hurt too many coaches if not selected.

Miles' 3 good seasons wer 2014, 15 and 16. Although Richmond did make finals in 2/3 of those years (they finished 8th, 5th and 13th respectively), I wouldn't say based on that, that wins have a direct relation to his output. His role in the side will mean he'll always be around the ball, and he should face very little competition from teammates in that regard as well.

To add, I would also say GC have a better ruckman than Richmond did in those years as well, which helps his case too.

[RaisyDaisy]

What does being in a winning team have to do with anything?

Cripps, Macrae, Fyfe, Neale etc all go huge in lower ranked sides

Miles is a very attractive prospect, and I'm keen to see how he looks in the upcoming JLT

[ubeaut]

What does being in a winning team have to do with anything?

Cripps, Macrae, Fyfe, Neale etc all go huge in lower ranked sides

Miles is a very attractive prospect, and I'm keen to see how he looks in the upcoming JLT

Cripps, Macrae, Fyfe..... Miles??
Apples and oranges
Sure GAJ used to dominate there but he's the GOAT and GC were better back then.
Being in a winning team or at least a competitive one does impact the allocation of the 3300 points
A team that gets flogged most weeks I.e the rabble of a team that is GCFC won't be getting a decent share of points.
In losses, particularly heavy ones, last year between 0-2 players got anywhere near 100 points, while opposition teams were usually 4 - 6 players.
Now GC still have a lot of mids Swallow, Fiorini, Bowes,Martin, Miller etc. and Witts also scores well. So you're backing in Miles to automatically straight away come in and be the dominant mid and SC scorer.
It may or may not happen.
After JOM last year (who wasn't a failure by any means but was a slow burn who plateaued at around 400k before most traded him out) I'd need a Miles/Libba type to average 90-95 with no sub 75-80 scores at a minimum to be worth it and get close to 500k. Otherwise like with JOM who was averaging around 90 but due to some crap scores didn't make enough cash it's better to grab a rookie and upgrade elsewhere. I rate JOM far superior to Miles and Hawthorn far superior to the GC.
Like I've said before I don't want a failed mid pricer at M5 and have to field 4 rookies, and at M6 may leave too much weakness on other lines and mean you miss out on a good scoring rookie either on your bench or not in team at all. Especially if you are already running a mid/fwd donut at M11 due to Fort being R3.

[Southstorm]

JOM wasn't fully right when he was playing for Hawthorn at the start of last year as he probably had little confidence in his knee and hadn't played regular football since 2014. He might be a better player than Miles but he wasn't the same guy at the start of last year. He also had Mitchell taking a third of Hawthorn's clearances in total.

Miles is fully fit and first in line at the Suns. He doesn't have the ceiling of JOM but he's probably going to have a better start to the year.

[RaisyDaisy]

If Miles gets 25-30 most weeks (like I expect he will) then he will do just fine

For 342k, he'll make more money than a rookie and give much better scoring

[ubeaut]

If Miles gets 25-30 most weeks (like I expect he will) then he will do just fine

For 342k, he'll make more money than a rookie and give much better scoring

But RD, JOM was 300k averaged 90 early on and only made 100k. 150k if you held on to him for over half the season. If he's 340k he's already 40k ahead of that. How is that more money than a rookie? He'd have to average close to 100 to hit 500k and even then is 160k any or much more than a cheap rookie will make?

[quinny88]

I think you're underestimating how good miles can be. He just hasn't had the opportunity at Richmond to fully shine but he's a ball magnet and racks the ball up at will. He's literally going to spend all of his time on the ball at GC and will be in their top 2-3 mids rather than 4-5 even when he was getting games at Richmond.

There's no risk involved. If he doesn't improve he still averages 90. If he gets better with more opportunity (like I think he will) he averages 100+

[RaisyDaisy]

If Miles gets 25-30 most weeks (like I expect he will) then he will do just fine

For 342k, he'll make more money than a rookie and give much better scoring

But RD, JOM was 300k averaged 90 early on and only made 100k. 150k if you held on to him for over half the season. If he's 340k he's already 40k ahead of that. How is that more money than a rookie? He'd have to average close to 100 to hit 500k and even then is 160k any or much more than a cheap rookie will make?

JOM averaged 90 over the first 7 rounds and made 125k

Not much rookies make 100k+. Remember we get heaps of slow burns and duds, and if any rookie does make 100k+ it's considered a success

The other reason Miles is appealing, is because if we go complete GnR we have too many rookies on field - at least 8, and I can bet each week a few of those 8 are going to put up rubbish scores

[TommyC]

I think you're underestimating how good miles can be. He just hasn't had the opportunity at Richmond to fully shine but he's a ball magnet and racks the ball up at will. He's literally going to spend all of his time on the ball at GC and will be in their top 2-3 mids rather than 4-5 even when he was getting games at Richmond.

There's no risk involved. If he doesn't improve he still averages 90. If he gets better with more opportunity (like I think he will) he averages 100+

Totally agree

[ubeaut]

If Miles gets 25-30 most weeks (like I expect he will) then he will do just fine

For 342k, he'll make more money than a rookie and give much better scoring

But RD, JOM was 300k averaged 90 early on and only made 100k. 150k if you held on to him for over half the season. If he's 340k he's already 40k ahead of that. How is that more money than a rookie? He'd have to average close to 100 to hit 500k and even then is 160k any or much more than a cheap rookie will make?

JOM averaged 90 over the first 7 rounds and made 125k

Not much rookies make 100k+. Remember we get heaps of slow burns and duds, and if any rookie does make 100k+ it's considered a success

The other reason Miles is appealing, is because if we go complete GnR we have too many rookies on field - at least 8, and I can bet each week a few of those 8 are going to put up rubbish scores

Not many make 100k? I'd say most do make 100+k and the ones that don't (the duds) are the exception not the rule. How the hell would people be able to upgrade their teams if most rookies struggle to make 100k?
Holman, Kelly, L. Fogarty, Crowden, Banfield, Ryan, Finlayson, Doedee, Murray, Fritsch, Naughton, ZGL, Stephenson, English, Austin off the top of my head
Even if he makes 160k averaging near 100 that will be more than the dud rookies, but not most.

[RaisyDaisy]

If Miles gets 25-30 most weeks (like I expect he will) then he will do just fine

For 342k, he'll make more money than a rookie and give much better scoring

But RD, JOM was 300k averaged 90 early on and only made 100k. 150k if you held on to him for over half the season. If he's 340k he's already 40k ahead of that. How is that more money than a rookie? He'd have to average close to 100 to hit 500k and even then is 160k any or much more than a cheap rookie will make?

JOM averaged 90 over the first 7 rounds and made 125k

Not much rookies make 100k+. Remember we get heaps of slow burns and duds, and if any rookie does make 100k+ it's considered a success

The other reason Miles is appealing, is because if we go complete GnR we have too many rookies on field - at least 8, and I can bet each week a few of those 8 are going to put up rubbish scores

Not many make 100k? I'd say most do make 100+k and the ones that don't (the duds) are the exception not the rule. How the hell would people be able to upgrade their teams if most rookies struggle to make 100k?
Holman, Kelly, L. Fogarty, Crowden, Banfield, Ryan, Finlayson, Doedee, Murray, Fritsch, Naughton, ZGL, Stephenson, English, Austin off the top of my head
Even if he makes 160k averaging near 100 that will be more than the dud rookies, but not most.

Perhaps I should have phrased that differently

Not a lot of rookies make huge cash - 200k+

125k would certainly be considered a good result and I know I've mooed plenty of cows at that point

You also need to remember that when you select a mid pricer you're giving up some cash gen to get points. A rookie might make you 200k if you're lucky, but I'll bet the house he isn't scoring as much as the mid pricer/Miles

[Bully]

What do people think Libba and  Miles will realistically average?


Can honestly see both going 100+

Finally, when he was firing, Richmond were a finals team, GC won't win too many games so hard to see him tonning up too often, maybe once every 3-4 games. Based on price I think he's a good pick but I don't think he'll hurt too many coaches if not selected.

Miles' 3 good seasons wer 2014, 15 and 16. Although Richmond did make finals in 2/3 of those years (they finished 8th, 5th and 13th respectively), I wouldn't say based on that, that wins have a direct relation to his output. His role in the side will mean he'll always be around the ball, and he should face very little competition from teammates in that regard as well.

To add, I would also say GC have a better ruckman than Richmond did in those years as well, which helps his case too.

Miles averaged 89.8 the year Richmond finished 13th, certainly passable but an 8 point drop. GC would be red hot favourites for the wooden spoon, pretty confident that Miles will be in the 85-90 region. Think those who are banking on 100 might be disappointed.

[RaisyDaisy]

Miles averaged 89.8 the year Richmond finished 13th, certainly passable but an 8 point drop. GC would be red hot favourites for the wooden spoon, pretty confident that Miles will be in the 85-90 region. Think those who are banking on 100 might be disappointed.

I'm thinking he goes at about 90, but anything above is obviously a clear bonus

This is reminding me of Titch in a way. Titch was the 4th/5th mid at Sydney and moved to Haw as the #1 guy and his points soared. Miles is somewhat similar - was always low in the pecking order when he still scored as well as he did.

100avg isn't out of the question, but I'll be happy with 90+ and for 340k that seems like pretty good value to me