2019 Rookies

[Mat0369]

I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.

Everything I have seen with Stocker says he isn't even training with the main group properly yet. I doubt he lines up round 1 unless he has a huge turn around and tears up the JLT. I always thought Setterfield would start the year in the VFL to get some run in his legs. Coming off the ACL I though he would be battling for R1 and wouldn't play JLT. You aren't going to throw the guy straight in. Reports have him possibly playing some JLT so I'd be a bit more optimistic than I was in November.

Tom Williamson will be a lock for the blues but doubt he will be a good Sc scorer.

Unfortunately he won't be. I doubt he is fit for round 1. He is still just running laps with the rehab group and barely played all last season with the back. I expect Simmo, Newman and Daisy to hold down the fort.

As for his scoring, he would score better on the bigger grounds in his first season. It let him use his run and carry which is his best asset. He struggled to do that at Etihad/Marvel as teams were able to close space and make it harder for him to break through.

[quinny88]

I'm hearing from a mate who regularly watches Carlton training, and that is that Setterfield may not be right until Round 3 or 4 and that Stocker looks lost out there in match sim, not even close to being ready to go.

Everything I have seen with Stocker says he isn't even training with the main group properly yet. I doubt he lines up round 1 unless he has a huge turn around and tears up the JLT. I always thought Setterfield would start the year in the VFL to get some run in his legs. Coming off the ACL I though he would be battling for R1 and wouldn't play JLT. You aren't going to throw the guy straight in. Reports have him possibly playing some JLT so I'd be a bit more optimistic than I was in November.

Tom Williamson will be a lock for the blues but doubt he will be a good Sc scorer.

Unfortunately he won't be. I doubt he is fit for round 1. He is still just running laps with the rehab group and barely played all last season with the back. I expect Simmo, Newman and Daisy to hold down the fort.

As for his scoring, he would score better on the bigger grounds in his first season. It let him use his run and carry which is his best asset. He struggled to do that at Etihad/Marvel as teams were able to close space and make it harder for him to break through.

Do you like Gibbons chances of lining up round 1?

[Mat0369]

Do you like Gibbons chances of lining up round 1?

No idea. We don't have a deep midfield so he would be a shot if he plays well enough. He has done enough to impress them in the match sims and I think he has been killing it in the time trials as well. I might have a crack at our 22 later this week to get a rough idea. Our injury list is a mess already

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-30/injury-blues-nearly-half-of-best-22-on-restricted-duties

The article has some info on guys like Williamson and Setterfield in there. I'll drop the important info below

Mitch McGovern
He's running laps after suffering a non-displaced fracture of his back before Christmas. The club hopes he will back in full training in the next fortnight.

Will Setterfield
Still recovering from an ACL injury that ruined his 2018 season with the Giants. He's taking part in most drills now and the club expects him to re-join the main group in the next fortnight.

Caleb Marchbank
He's still running laps as he recovers from a back problem. He's taking part in a few drills, but it's fair to say his rehab is taking longer than the club perhaps first expected. Marchbank is likely to re-join the main group at some stage in February.

Liam Jones
Restricted to running laps recently due to a fractured hand. Expect him back in full training sooner, rather than later.

Darcy Lang
A foot problem has him on incredibly light duties. He still can't kick, so hasn't joined in ball drills. The club says he is "highly unlikely" to be fit for round one.

Matthew Kreuzer
Had minor knee surgery last week. He isn't expected to re-join the main group until late in pre-season, but the club is still confident he will be in the frame for round one.

Sam Docherty
The new co-captain will miss most, if not all, of 2019 with a knee injury.

Jarrod Pickett
He remains a long way off returning from his knee injury.

Alex Fasolo
He's expected to miss six to eight weeks with a broken arm, which will more than likely rule him out of round one.

Tom Williamson
There had been concern for the defender after he sat out the last two sessions. But the club is adamant it is simply giving the youngster a breather after a brutal workload following a year out of the game with a debilitating back problem.

This was a report from today

WHO’S FIT

Jack Silvagni has spent a summer of explicit explosive running as he attempts to spend more time on the ball. His younger brother Ben has impressed as a switch-hitting key position player in match simulation. While the club hasn’t committed to him yet, clearance king Michael Gibbons has been a standout at training, to the point where one casual observer made the assessment that if you didn’t know who he was, he would be playing against Richmond in Round 1.

WHO’S HURT

Unfortunately, there are too many in this bracket with co-captain Sam Docherty gone for the year (knee). Recruit Mitch McGovern is running laps after suffering a non-displaced fracture of his back, Darcy Lang is highly unlikely for Round 1 (foot), Alex Fasolo is six to eight weeks (broken arm), Caleb Marchbank is on light duties (back), Jarrod Picket (knee) is a fair way off, Liam Jones (fractured hand) is running laps, Matthew Kreuzer (knee) is hopeful of being ready for Round 1 while Will Setterfield and Tom Williamson are making steady progress from long-term injuries.

WHO’S IMPRESSING

After a second year of stagnation, Sam Petrevski-Seton is flying as he prepares for more midfield time. And the Zac Fisher journey continues to grow. Number one draft pick Sam Walsh has had a stunning debut pre-season. Tom De Koning, Patrick Kerr and Harry McKay are a trio of young talls who appear ready to take the next step after improving their running during pre-season. Lochie O’Brien missed some early sessions but in the past two weeks has been blitzing on the track. Paddy Dow has increased his strength and is ready for a breakout second season.

[RaisyDaisy]

Setterfield had his first competitive hit out on Monday, so sounding like he is starting to ramp things up now  - good sign

[Money Shot]

Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Newman, Marchbank, Simpson
Dow, Curnow, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
McGovern, McKay, O’Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Kennedy, Thomas, Setterfield, Williamson

Unfit from best 22:
Docherty, Lang*, Fasolo*, Pickett*

That’s how I see our round 1 lineup.

[RaisyDaisy]

Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Newman, Marchbank, Simpson
Dow, Curnow, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
McGovern, McKay, O’Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Kennedy, Thomas, Setterfield, Williamson

Unfit from best 22:
Docherty, Lang*, Fasolo*, Pickett*

That’s how I see our round 1 lineup.

Williamson isn't even fit yet so wouldn't be locking him in to be ready by Round 1. I saw Jones got injured too, not sure how long he is out for. Gibbons is a chance to make the list and debut too

[Money Shot]

Plowman, Weitering, Jones
Newman, Marchbank, Simpson
Dow, Curnow, Walsh
Fisher, Curnow, SPS
McGovern, McKay, O’Brien
Kreuzer, Cripps, Murphy

Kennedy, Thomas, Setterfield, Williamson

Unfit from best 22:
Docherty, Lang*, Fasolo*, Pickett*

That’s how I see our round 1 lineup.

Williamson isn't even fit yet so wouldn't be locking him in to be ready by Round 1. I saw Jones got injured too, not sure how long he is out for. Gibbons is a chance to make the list and debut too

If Gibbons gets picked up (I think he will) I feel as though he is a good chance for round 1 but I have left him out for now.

Kreuzer, Marchbank, Jones, Setterfield and McGovern are all injured but should be right for round 1 imo. Williamson may go through the VFL but I really rate him and think he is a good chance for round 1 if fit.

[quinny88]

Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

[jfitty]

Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

That's pretty understandable, he's still at school from memory?

[RaisyDaisy]

Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D

[Ringo]

Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D

I have him but basically atm as a low priced rookie with DPP as did not have that link set up. Will see what becomes available for RD1 but would want a rookie with DPP.

[RaisyDaisy]

Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D

I have him but basically atm as a low priced rookie with DPP as did not have that link set up. Will see what becomes available for RD1 but would want a rookie with DPP.

DPP is overrated in the first half of the season

We should have all bench options playing Round 1, so you're not going to need DPP

DPP is handy for the second half of the season when we get low on trades

[ubeaut]

Irving Mosquito sounds like he's virtually no chance of playing round 1 according to Woosha. Hadn't considered him but for those with him you may as well look elsewhere

I lol'd when I saw his ownership % was something crazy like 25%  ;D

I have him but basically atm as a low priced rookie with DPP as did not have that link set up. Will see what becomes available for RD1 but would want a rookie with DPP.

DPP is overrated in the first half of the season

We should have all bench options playing Round 1, so you're not going to need DPP

DPP is handy for the second half of the season when we get low on trades

Have to disagree with that Rd.
For one DPP captain loophole is invaluable.
Aside from that, corrective trades are given much more flexibility With DPPs.
For example, you start Roberton, he fails and there are no decent back rookies you don't already have. If u have Rozee fwd, and there's a fwd rookie about to explode in price after a few lucky bags, Roberton becomes that rookie.
Or Greene does a knee, no fwd rookie to get, move someone from mids to fwds and jump on that rookie u missed, or even Miles/Libba if they fire early.
I'm not suggesting that you disrupt team structure or pick players soley on DPP, but the sooner you can get DPP swing sets in as many positions as you can the better.
Setterfield, Rozee and an Owies type will likely be in my team.

[RaisyDaisy]

Have to disagree with that Rd.
For one DPP captain loophole is invaluable.
Aside from that, corrective trades are given much more flexibility With DPPs.
For example, you start Roberton, he fails and there are no decent back rookies you don't already have. If u have Rozee fwd, and there's a fwd rookie about to explode in price after a few lucky bags, Roberton becomes that rookie.
Or Greene does a knee, no fwd rookie to get, move someone from mids to fwds and jump on that rookie u missed, or even Miles/Libba if they fire early.
I'm not suggesting that you disrupt team structure or pick players soley on DPP, but the sooner you can get DPP swing sets in as many positions as you can the better.
Setterfield, Rozee and an Owies type will likely be in my team.

Don't need DPP for captain loophole. Just a non scoring player is all we need for that

As for the rest, I obviously had a brain fart haha. Of course having DPP is super handy for trading, being able to move out a fwd, swing a DPP mid to fwd, then bring in a mid as an example, yeah that's awesome.

For some reason whenever I see DPP said, I just think of being able to substitute between players haha. My bad

[GoLions]

Have to disagree with that Rd.
For one DPP captain loophole is invaluable.
Aside from that, corrective trades are given much more flexibility With DPPs.
For example, you start Roberton, he fails and there are no decent back rookies you don't already have. If u have Rozee fwd, and there's a fwd rookie about to explode in price after a few lucky bags, Roberton becomes that rookie.
Or Greene does a knee, no fwd rookie to get, move someone from mids to fwds and jump on that rookie u missed, or even Miles/Libba if they fire early.
I'm not suggesting that you disrupt team structure or pick players soley on DPP, but the sooner you can get DPP swing sets in as many positions as you can the better.
Setterfield, Rozee and an Owies type will likely be in my team.

Don't need DPP for captain loophole. Just a non scoring player is all we need for that

As for the rest, I obviously had a brain fart haha. Of course having DPP is super handy for trading, being able to move out a fwd, swing a DPP mid to fwd, then bring in a mid as an example, yeah that's awesome.

For some reason whenever I see DPP said, I just think of being able to substitute between players haha. My bad

You don't have to have the link set up from rd1 (e.g. a fwd/mid in the midfield and another up fwd), but its good to have just one of those in play from the start to make some better trades early on. After round 8ish though is when you'll probably want those links set up for sure.