2019 Rookies

[Bully]

Numbers say otherwise. Roberton has had 2 seasons of 90+ but every other season has been sub 76.

Smith has had one season of 90+ (which was better than any Roberton has had) and 2 more above 80 (although one was off 2 games last year). The rest have been sub 76. They're essentially a wash.

The major difference with Roberton is that Jimmy Webster has now taken that rebounding/intercept role while he was injured and did it pretty well. They now have to get both of these guys to play cohesively.

I also want to check out the kickin numbers for 2017. I am curious to see where Smith ranks for the Crows.

Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me

Well it matters to me. These factors could be the difference between a 85 - 90 avg and a 70 - 75 avg. I'd rather get 65 from a rookie at half the price or less.

I think you'll be hard pressed finding many def rookies going 65

Dylan Roberton ranks 4th in the AFL for kick-in to self since 2015, despite missing most of last season

Recent article also mentioned how he did a lot of coaching this year and will be a huge in for them, being a general down back

Lack of rookies, his price and history = extreme value

You've almost sold me, could go Whitfield down to Mills & Rozee/Collins up to Roberton.

[Bully]

Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

[quinny88]

Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

[shaker]

Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Agree you just have to hope he plays a few rounds before he does something stupid or gets injured

[RaisyDaisy]

Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Read a couple of days ago he's had a great preseason for the first time in years and is looking good

If he makes it to R1 then yep he has to be picked

[Nige]

You'd have to pay me at least $165k to pick Bennell.

At this stage, I'd say Collins, McLennan, Logue, McKay, Rozee and Quaynor appear to be the most likely def rookies to line up.

Bewley and Hind are just about locks in the midfield, Walsh if you're happy to take the expensive option.

Forward options looking a little less obvious at this point, could of assumed options like Cavarra and Parker, but Corbett appears to be one of the few certainties.

I've probably forgot a few names though.

[enzedder]

I think everyone knew but for those that don’t...
Carlton: "Over the next week or two he'll be into the full training group doing full game play situations.. he's looking really good for the start of the season" Director of High Performance Andrew Russell on Will Setterfield

[RaisyDaisy]

This is a great article just posted on AFL.com.au

Use this as a reference just to get a feel for who to use as place-holders, and your structure

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-01-28/draftee-watch-how-are-your-clubs-new-faces-tracking

[Ringo]

Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Read a couple of days ago he's had a great preseason for the first time in years and is looking good

If he makes it to R1 then yep he has to be picked

Yep if he starts Rd 1 too hard to ignore at the price. Nice cash builder if anywhere near his best.

[Mat0369]

Roberton's numbers are much more recent though, so they carry more weight, especially since he's had 2 90+ seasons from 3 (ignore last year)

Brodie went 90+ in 2014 - that's way too far back now to really value

Might not sound like much, but the price difference also makes Roberton more attractive. At 297k even if he goes 75+ he still makes enough cash, and he takes a lot of the Saints kick outs too, which will only help with the new rules and his scoring

All this talk of Webster doing this, Carlisle and Austin being injured etc - none of that matters to me

Change of role in a team can be huge as to how a player scores. When Lever came to the Dees that hurt Hibberd's intercept possession numbers which was a larger reason he scored so well the year before.

In 2017 Lever was number 1 per game at an average of 9.50. Hibberd was number 7 at 7.61. In 2018 Lever was number 11 at 7.91 and Hibberd dropped all the way down to 67 at an average of 5.1. Lever didn't play the whole season but the Dees manufactured Jordan Lewis to take on the Hibberd role from the previous year which resulted in a ton of kick ins and 6.46 intercept possessions per game which was good for 39th. The year before Lewis wasn't even in the top 100.

The other stat which Hibberd dominated was rebound 50's. He was launching a large number of counterattacks and was ranked number 2 in the comp with an average of 6.83. In 2018 he dropped down to 24 for an average of 4.14 per game. This resulted in him being number 1 in the comp for meters gained in 2017 (556.50) compared to 36 in 2018 (402.29). So he was nowhere near as damaging with his possessions in 2018 when he wasn't the manufactured loose defender.

So looking at the stats that made Roberton an asset in 2017. He was 21st in the AFL with an average of 6.68 intercepts per game. He was taking the majority of the kickins, lead a majority of their rebound 50's (4th at 5.64 per game) and was number 11 in meters gained at an average of 474.14. He was the guy they manufactured to play loose behind the ball. If he was forced to play more accountable those numbers could see a Hibberd like plummet and he could end up averaging around 70. At his price the reward is a lot greater than the risk, however you're likely to see a higher floor from someone like Brodie Smith for a similar ceiling.

[hawkers65]

Interesting question, if Harley Bennell is picked round 1 will you start him?

Yep! Can't not have him at $165k. Him actually being available round 1 is the question though

Read a couple of days ago he's had a great preseason for the first time in years and is looking good

If he makes it to R1 then yep he has to be picked

Yep if he starts Rd 1 too hard to ignore at the price. Nice cash builder if anywhere near his best.

Cant say no to a pick like him, i really would just love to see him out there again

Also guys, ive always enjoyed doing write ups on fanfooty in the preseason so i finally thought id give a crack at making a facebook page.

Its relevant here as i did a rookie bible write up and thought some of you guys would enjoy the read. Feel free to look at my scouting reports or maybe even drop a like if you enjoy. Thanks guys means a lot :)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=2256658007956160&id=2256597511295543

[RaisyDaisy]

If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

[Fid]

If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

At this early stage, I'm looking at having Rhylee West on the bench.  He may may not play first up, but should play eventually and the Bulldogs are the best side to utilise DPP.

[Big Mac]

If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

I'll just pick the best rookies, having the best cash generation is more important imo

After a few rounds someone will inevitably be injured/dropped and stuck on your bench anyway

[Bully]

If we're lucky enough to get a playing rookie ruck at R3 what are people thinking about doing loophole wise?

I'm thinking Rozee/Burgess could be the way to go, assuming one of them (likely Burgess) isn't named round 1, allow us to not only use him to loophole our VC/C but it would also mean you have Rozee available on both lines as DEF/FWD

I don't think Rozee will score very well, especially as he is training as a half forward, but his JS and DPP might be enough of a pay off

I think Rozee will score well, has already proven he can rack up 25+ touches at senior level. Of the first year guys it's Walsh then Rozee & perhaps Rankine if he gets a bit of time in the middle. Ely Smith a smokey but can be iffy with his disposal.