2019 Rookies

[Money Shot]

Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead

A decision I have been struggling with.

Walsh is locked.

Butters/Cousins have shown really good potential but having Walsh at M7 limits me. I think Constable and Scott will score well enough for M8 and Gibbons and Atkins only need a few good games to make some serious coin.

Cousins, Hately and Butters miss out at this stage.

Butters the one I want most.

[Ringo]

Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead

If All line up I would grab Walsh and one of the three with the three cheapies on the bench. Unless you think they will score better than rookies on other lines.
Other thing to consider is how is the JS of all three as well as it will be a waste of cash sitting on pine at that value after 2 rds if dropped.
For what is worth I have Walsh at M7, Constable M8 with Atkins, Scott and Gibbons on bench

[Locinator]

Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead

Butters and Hately likely get you +10 points on most defence and forward rookies. Butters could comfortably go 70+, and Hately has a 50:50 chance to push 70 IMO. Compare that to fielding a Hore/Duur/Balta/Parker/PetrolJelly at F6/D6 with lighter foward and back lines.

Also, given the magic number is somewhere in 5.5k range, if you're gaining 10 points on other rooks you are generating cash at about a marginally higher rate than the cheap rookies. For example, Butters @ +10 points on Hore means Butters will get 55k more expensive than Hore. Hore is 40k cheaper, therefore if Butters goes 10+ points up on any cheapy, you're 15k better off.

I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Currently running 4 premos, Walsh, Butters, Hately, Contable in my mids

[Locinator]

But do appreciate that if you run cheaper rookies over Butters, Hately and that gets you 60-70k in other lines to get better mid-pricers or more premos that you can make up those points up with. Definitely a situational issue

[RaisyDaisy]

Butters and Hately likely get you +10 points on most defence and forward rookies. Butters could comfortably go 70+, and Hately has a 50:50 chance to push 70 IMO. Compare that to fielding a Hore/Duur/Balta/Parker/PetrolJelly at F6/D6 with lighter foward and back lines.

Also, given the magic number is somewhere in 5.5k range, if you're gaining 10 points on other rooks you are generating cash at about a marginally higher rate than the cheap rookies. For example, Butters @ +10 points on Hore means Butters will get 55k more expensive than Hore. Hore is 40k cheaper, therefore if Butters goes 10+ points up on any cheapy, you're 15k better off.

I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Currently running 4 premos, Walsh, Butters, Hately, Contable in my mids

This is exactly what I am talking about

I currently have M6 Libba, M7 Walsh, M8 Constable, and I am happy with that, but at the same time I have guys like Duursma and Scrimshaw on field - and if hately/Caldwell/Butters are going to score better than them and are priced similar, do I dump my premo M5 and move Libba/Walsh back a spot, bring in the other mid rookie and drop Scrim/Duurs for a prem defender instead?

I'm not too worried about the prem spread for now - whether I have 3 def or 4 def keepers to start etc - I just want to get the rookies right

[LaHug]

If you're going for overall though, it might still be better to have those few extra mid premiums. Lose 10 points from rookies but gain 30 from premiums.

[Gavdroid]

Have seen a lot of teams with Constable at m8. I'm not convinced he even gets named, let alone his js. Who is he pushing out of the cats line up if they're also supposedly fitting Atkins and Clark in?

[Bully]

Just talking purely mids in this case

I don't think we will have much trouble getting 3 cheap guys to fill out the bench. Constable, Atkins, Gibbons, Scott, Hind are all a good chance

What I'm trying to make a decision on is the pricier guys

What if all of Walsh, Butters, Caldwell/Hately line up

Part of me thinks don't bother, just grab Walsh and the cheapies, but the other part is wondering if I should grab the like of Butters/Caldwell/Hately

It means I go lighter in the mids, and in turn deeper on other lines, but if there's enough rookies on all 3 lines then I'm going to need to prioritise and make a call on which ones take precedent over others etc

Tough decisions ahead

Butters and Hately likely get you +10 points on most defence and forward rookies. Butters could comfortably go 70+, and Hately has a 50:50 chance to push 70 IMO. Compare that to fielding a Hore/Duur/Balta/Parker/PetrolJelly at F6/D6 with lighter foward and back lines.

Also, given the magic number is somewhere in 5.5k range, if you're gaining 10 points on other rooks you are generating cash at about a marginally higher rate than the cheap rookies. For example, Butters @ +10 points on Hore means Butters will get 55k more expensive than Hore. Hore is 40k cheaper, therefore if Butters goes 10+ points up on any cheapy, you're 15k better off.

I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Currently running 4 premos, Walsh, Butters, Hately, Contable in my mids

Don't think Butters is a certainty to hit 70, for starters I don't think he will get the latitude in the real deal & he is incredibly light. He is also very outside, can see him having good days but also some poor ones. Stephenson won the Rising Star & only averaged 64, can't say Butters is a 6 point better player.

Hately is probably better placed to hit 70 but the moment he has a stinker Caldwell or someone else will be straight in. The other point is these blokes are on the bench so it's largely irrelevant what their averages are, it's whether or not they can make money, don't need to remind peple that it only takes a couple of good scores to get the price moving.

[tommy10]

Melb have added 23-year-old VFL player Jay Lockhart through the pre-season SSP.

He’s a “lock” if he plays  ;D

[GoldDigger]

Have seen a lot of teams with Constable at m8. I'm not convinced he even gets named, let alone his js. Who is he pushing out of the cats line up if they're also supposedly fitting Atkins and Clark in?

B: Jordan Clark, Mark Blicavs, Jack Henry
HB: Mark O'Connor, Harry Taylor, Tom Stewart
C: Mitch Duncan, Joel Selwood, Brandan Parfitt
HF: Sam Menegola, Tom Hawkins, Luke Dahlhaus
F: Gary Rohan, Esava Ratugolea, Gary Ablett
Foll: Rhys Stanley, Patrick Dangerfield, Tim Kelly
I/C: Lachie Henderson, Cameron Guthrie, Tom Atkins, Charlie Constable
EMERG: Jake Kolodjashnij, Quinton Narkle, Zach Guthrie, Gryan Miers
NEW: Jordan Clark (draft), Luke Dahlhaus (Western Bulldogs), Gary Rohan (Sydney), Charlie Constable (second-year)
UNAVAILABLE: Jed Bews (groin), Nakia Cockatoo (adductor), Lachie Fogarty (hip), Scott Selwood (hamstring), Zac Smith (knee), Zach Tuohy (knee)
NOTES: The biggest headache centres around the choice of the final defender. Given the Cats play a seventh off the bench, Lachie Henderson just gets the nod over Jake Kolodjashnij who was managed in the final JLT Series match. Tom Stewart, Mark O'Connor and Jordan Clark â€" a lock for his debut â€" can play small to contend with the Pies' dynamic forward line. It proves how desperate the Cats are to see Zach Tuohy and Jed Bews back early in the season. Tom Atkins' impressive pre-season wins him a spot over Quinton Narkle who played 50 per cent game time in each pre-season game. Luke Dahlhaus and Gary Rohan will start in attack, while second-year midfielder Charlie Constable earns a debut. - Mitch Cleary

[GoldDigger]

... I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Spot on!

[crowls]

JS for atkins and constable look iffy to me  I have CC at m9 and atkins/clark at not in my team at the moment.   most likely I will replace hore or duursma with clark if he starts rd1.    Charlie with Hately/Caldwell option.

[dmac07]

... I seem to be an outsider, but given historically mid pricers are more likely to be keepers in the defence and forwards, I reckon running light the mids is a better structure. Also JS issues in the mids are less of an issue given you have 3 bench spots to cover a rookie getting dropped.

Spot on!

As a general rule I avoid mid price mids like the plague! Think I've had 1 in about 5 years. Any mid pricer to me, has to either be a keeper, or cheap enough to 150k cash.

[Mat0369]

Just throwing this out there with the Atkins/Gibbons picks. Both are likely to be small forwards for the majority of the season. You're looking at guys that are going to put up a lot of clunkers in a row. Yes they are cheap, but when they put up that 45-50 average (like Pasons/Pickett/Garlett) and you have to sideways trade them to a better scoring rookie because they're so cheap it will sting.

I went and added all the relevant rookie priced players (Walsh and under) to an empty team last night. I think the guys you're looking for are the ones that will spend most of their time either behind the ball or in the midfield. Those picks can also flop (hello Lochie O'Brien), but it feels like you will have a higher success rate.

[kilbluff1985]

which rookies have u got now matt