General Discussion for the 2018/19 season.

[Ringo]

7.11 Rising Star

Rising Star Award will be presented to a Player under 21 years of age making his debut in the competition ,  Will be awarded to the player with the highest points average for season with a minimum of 5 games being played. A player who has has played 2 games or less in the previous season is eligible for this award providing the play a minimum of 5 games this year,

Apparently there has been some confusion on The Discord. This was changed like 4 years ago to same rules as AFL.

So 10 or less games in the previous year in Bxvs?

10 or less games in the AFL (assuming that's the rule there). Has nothing to do with games played in BXVs. Did this because we couldn't be bothered checking how often all the eligible non-first year players had been named the previous year.

Been checking my records and have been unable to find a vote to make rising star similar to AFL. If you can provide one will stand corrected but rule was still in existence in 2016 if you look at the Rising Star thread, 

[GoLions]

7.11 Rising Star

Rising Star Award will be presented to a Player under 21 years of age making his debut in the competition ,  Will be awarded to the player with the highest points average for season with a minimum of 5 games being played. A player who has has played 2 games or less in the previous season is eligible for this award providing the play a minimum of 5 games this year,

Apparently there has been some confusion on The Discord. This was changed like 4 years ago to same rules as AFL.

So 10 or less games in the previous year in Bxvs?

10 or less games in the AFL (assuming that's the rule there). Has nothing to do with games played in BXVs. Did this because we couldn't be bothered checking how often all the eligible non-first year players had been named the previous year.

Been checking my records and have been unable to find a vote to make rising star similar to AFL. If you can provide one will stand corrected but rule was still in existence in 2016 if you look at the Rising Star thread,

We didn't vote for it. Was something we agreed on informally because it meant less work trying to go through and check how often players were named the previous year. Has been the case since I've been around.

[GoLions]

2016 we started doing it with AFL eligibility.

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[nostradamus]

I probably should know the answer to this, but figure l might as well pose the question.
As everyone would know, positional changes will be announced on UF soon.
My question is, will they come into effect in our comp too?
Common sense tells me they will, but it's not down to common sense it's be down to however it was voted on.

[iZander]

Dont think so, unless its changed? thats what common sense tells me

[GoLions]

The original vote was to lock from Rd1 and i dont recall it changing since over the last couple years...Ringo to confirm though.

[Ringo]

Confirmed we voted 2 years ago to keep the statrs as at Rd 1 and not move with UF Changes. This does not mean that you can not raise it again for vote for next year,

For the record we voted on this in 2016 and 2018 and in both cases vote was lost 9 - 7.

[nostradamus]

Confirmed we voted 2 years ago to keep the statrs as at Rd 1 and not move with UF Changes. This does not mean that you can not raise it again for vote for next year,

Cheers Ringo

[Ringo]

Just putting these ideas out there for discussion and possible rule changes.

1. Most Valuable player - There have been a few queries on the UF method of applying 3,2,1 so do we change and do our own manual calculations. The sticking point with UF is that a losing team may have 2 of the best scores but UF  appears to allocate the points 2 to winner and one to loser or all three to winner if a easy win.

2. Utility Emergency - UF now has the capability to nominate a Utilty so do we go down the track of amending our rules to name 5 emergencies including utilities with emergency replacements being like for like. This may remove the need for manual calculations around Utilities and simplify it.

[Nige]

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[SilverLion]

So a few things that I think are worth raising for next season. Warning: MASSIVE slabs of text follow :P.




Firstly, a couple of amendments to the following rules:

Priority Picks:

"3.4  Teams with less than 4 wins year 1 will have priority picks at end of Round 1 of National draft and if they also have less than 4 wins in year 2 then they will receive priority picks at start of National Draft. Tanking will not be tolerated and will result in forfeiture of Round 1 pick as well"

Needs to reworded to something to the effect of:

"3.4  Teams with less than 4 wins year 1 will have priority picks at end of Round 1 of National draft and if they also have less than 4 wins in year 2 then they will receive a priority pick immediately after their first national draft pick (prior to trading) instead of an end of first round pick. Tanking will not be tolerated and will result in forfeiture of Round 1 pick as well."

In addition, I'd like to put forward the suggestion that if a team wins a total of 6 games or less over 2 seasons they are also entitled to the first round priority pick instead of an end of first round pick. This would avoid situations such as the one we have seen with the Rams and Breakers this year. Furthermore I think we should scrap the ability of the admins to hand out priority picks that don't fit with these rules (if we implement my previous suggestion, I don't think there'd be a scenario where it would be required anyway).

I think the 6 game limit/less than 4 wins in each of 2 years should roll to each subsequent year as well. Just showing a couple of scenarios as an example (assuming the year previous to Year 1 the side won at least 7 games so nothings rolling over):

Year 1 - 4 wins, Year 2 - 2 Wins - Year 3 - 4 Wins - would result in no priority pick in the first year, a first round pick the second year, and a first round pick in the third year.

Year 1 - 1 win, Year 2 - 5 Wins, Year 3 - 3 Wins - would result in an end of first round pick in the first year, a first round pick in the second year, and an end of first round pick in the third year.

Year 1 - 0 Wins, Year 2 - 4 Wins, Year 3 - 3 Wins - would result in an end of first round pick in the first year, a first round pick in the second year, and an end of first round pick in the third year.





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Rising Star:

"Rising Star Award will be presented to a Player under 21 years of age making his debut in the competition ,  Will be awarded to the player with the highest points average for season with a minimum of 5 games being played. A player who has has played 2 games or less in the previous season is eligible for this award providing the play a minimum of 5 games this year,"

Needs to be updated to something to the effect of (points in red I think we need further clarification/discussion on):

"- For a player to be eligible for a nomination for The Rising Star Award, a player must meet the criteria listed by the AFL for their Rising Star Award, which is currently as follows:

- To be eligible for the AFL Rising Star Award, each year's nominated players must be under the age of 21 at 1 January and have played no more than 10 AFL games to the start of that season.

- They must not have been suspended by the AFL or State League tribunals during the season (as with the Brownlow Medal, players found guilty of certain offences and fined or reprimanded by the Tribunal remain eligible to win the award)."

At the conclusion of the BXVs 15 round regular sseason, only the nominations of players who have played at least 5 games and have not been suspended since their nomination (as is the same for the AFL's eligibility <only suspensions up to BXVs Round 15 inclusive should count I think? if a player is suspended later than this and is ineligible for the AFL award it shouldn't impact ours as we will have already awarded it>) for their BXVs side are then listed to be voted for. The Rising Star Award is voted on by all 16 current BXVs Coaches (<insert voting format here>).

In the case where there is no new players eligible to receive a nomination in a round, <insert what we do for that here>.

In the case where there are multiple players tied for the most coaches' votes for the BXVs Rising Star, <insert what we do for that here>.





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So one other thing I wanted to raise separate to the rule amendments is the scoring system we currently use and how it currently places a noticable disadvantage to true forwards. I bring this up as it is evident across the competition that the best forwards, understandably, are midfielders available as forwards. I'm not saying at all that this alone is a problem (all formats pretty much face this to some extent), as our scoring system is heavily weighted to benefit midfielders (and especially inside/contested midfielders), I just believe that as a result of this weighting it creates a gap between these mids available as forwards and true forwards that is larger than it should be, and one that is larger than the common counterpart formats.

I'll use the example of the top 10 average forwards across our comp compared to SC and DT (FWIW, I'm aware that most of them across all 3 formats probably won't be available as forwards next year - which in itself is part of the problem haha).

BXVs: Travis Boak - 207.1 Patrick Dangerfield - 195.4 Josh Dunkley - 194.4 Tim Kelly - 180.4 Rowan Marshall - 172.9 David Mundy - 166.2 James Worpel - 165.8 Jack Billings - 160.2 Michael Walters - 157.6 Robbie Gray - 156.9 Average = 175.69

SC: Josh Dunkley - 114.1 Patrick Dangerfield - 114.0 Travis Boak - 112.7 Rowan Marshall 112.3 Tim Kelly 102.9 Michael Walters - 100.8 Caleb Daniel - 99.9 Scott Lycett - 99.1 Jack Billings - 98.2 Isaac Heeney - 93.9 Average = 104.79

DT: Josh Dunkley - 110.6 Travis Boak - 110.6 Patrick Dangerfield - 106.6 Rowan Marshall - 101.5 Jack Billings - 101.4 Tim Kelly - 98.6 Tom Lynch (ADE) - 95.6 Caleb Daniel - 94.5 Dustin Martin - 93.8 James Worpel - 92.8 Average = 100.6

Now on their own the lists stack up reasonably consistently with each other, with the list being dominated by midfielders across all 3 formats, however its the disparity between the top 10s down to the "true" forwards is where I think its more obvious where the issues are. Taking the top 6 in the Coleman medal as an example (as these are some of the better "true" forwards of the comp:

BXVs: Jeremy Cameron - 129.6 Jack Darling - 110.3 Tom Hawkins - 109.8 Ben Brown - 108.1 Tom Lynch (RICH) - 93.4 Charlie Cameron - 99.5

SC: Jeremy Cameron - 93.0 Tom Hawkins - 86.2 Jack Darling - 80.8 Charlie Cameron - 77.8 Ben Brown - 76.9 Tom Lynch (RICH) - 66.1

DT: Jeremy Cameron - 87.5 Tom Hawkins - 71.1 Ben Brown - 69.8 Jack Darling - 69 Charlie Cameron - 66.1 Tom Lynch (RICH) - 58.9

It is clear that although the true forwards will pretty much always score less than midfielders (as is the nature of the majority of fantasy formats), the gap in our format is significantly more skewed than it should be. Isolating Jeremy Cameron as an example (who currently has a significantly higher average in both BXVs and DT than the others listed - likely due to a higher possession average); his average is 26% lower than the average of the top 10 in BXVs, compared to merely 11% in SC and 13% in DT. Using Jack Darling as another example, 37% lower in BXVs, 23% in SC and 31% DT. The difference, though less noticeable, still indicates that they are at a disadvantage more in BXVs than the counterpart formats.

Now I'm not saying to change anything drastic so these forwards are averaging as much as mids or anything, I just think the gap between them and the top forwards should be made to be at least a bit closer, in a similar fashion to other formats. One minor suggestion I thought of would be to increase the amount of points awarded from goals by a few points, for example an increase of a mere 2 points per goal would increase J Cameron's average by 6.35 points, Hawkins' by 4.9 points, Darling's by 5; and would only increase Dangerfield's by 2.1, Dunkley's by 0.9 and Boak's by 1 point.

TLDR; I think true forwards are disadvantaged too severely by our scoring format as it currently sits.





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One last thing, will we be doing a mid-season draft and/or trade period next year? It was mentioned that we would re-assess it based on the AFL mid-year draft this year. :P


(Also sorry if I made any typos or maths errors haha, hopefully you guys get the gist of my post at least)

[Nige]

I'm with SL on the priority picks thing. As long as it (along with all other rules at EOS) worded properly, there shouldn't be any issue.



The wording on how the Rising Star says "Will be awarded to the player with the highest points average for season with a minimum of 5 games being played" but then it also goes on to say that we vote for the Rising Star. So what is it? Is it straight up awarded to the player with the highest average, or do we vote? Has to be one or the other.



Also, I agree re: pure/true forwards. Not sure what other point scoring options UF has as customisation that will help and there's obviously not a whole lot than can be done other than increasing points scored for goals, but as one of the only teams without any real hybrid fwd/mid types, it's very noticeable. I don't see it as an absolutely necessary change, but it would help slightly I think, and we did buff the scoring potential for defenders in the past so it's not a reach.

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