General Discussion for the 2018/19 season.

[iZander]

Personally i think it might be better to hold off a year, see what happens with the afl side of things (how many get drafted, how many actually play, etc), and then make a decision for 2020 based off of that information.

This + we are increasing our playing list by 2 as well.

[meow meow]

Personally i think it might be better to hold off a year, see what happens with the afl side of things (how many get drafted, how many actually play, etc), and then make a decision for 2020 based off of that information.

This + we are increasing our playing list by 2 as well.

[Ringo]

Looks like we are gaining consensus so will leave it and watch how it unfolds in the AFL and revisit for 2020.

[kilbluff1985]

Birmingham will be suing Hawthorn if they don't sign Ricky Henderson

[Ringo]

Just read this rule on the AFL site for previously de-listed players

":Previously-listed footballers who spent a season or more out of the game no longer have to go through a nerve-racking draft experience to find an AFL home again as a Category A rookie.

They can instead sign with a club in the pre-season supplemental selection period (SSP) between December 1 and March 15, after all the drafts are over."

So basically this means that players can sign any time till March 15. This obviously will effect our draft especially if you want to redraft say Mumford, Weller, Wagner and Brooksby. Mumford and Clarke all looking set to join clubs under this rule.

Looking for suggestions as some may be picked up after our draft.

I am thinking something like this with last picks you nominate the player who you wish to redraft but also take the relative pick in the draft. If the player is picked up he goes to list and drafted player returned to the pool. If not picked up drafted player remains.

[Koop]

I would like to vote next year on bringing in a rule for the 2019 draft for bidding on these sorts of players to bring us into line with other comps.

For this year though, I'm happy to include the ones already announced as nominated former-club players before the draft. Anyone signed after the start of our rookie draft should, imo either


a) be taken by their former team, if applicable, with their final pick.

b) be taken by their former team, only through dropping their last NON-NOMINATED player from the rookie draft

c) if former club doesn't want to take them, be available in next years draft

c) be available in next years draft if they are coming directly from the state leagues.


Imagine if someone like a Matthew Nunn or Mitch Maguire is not taken in the National or Rookie draft, but gets picked up by say Sydney halfway into our rookie draft? That means someone at 40 or whatever is going to get a player who I would've considered taking top 10. I think the pool for the rookie draft should be all-but finalised BEFORE the start.  Happy for former players of BXV clubs to come in & get picked up by their respective teams, but state league players coming straight in not as much.

[SydneyRox]

Yeah, that looks good to me Koop.

With players taken after our draft I think they should just fall into the leftover pool for next year.

Though if a person wants to hold or draft them they should be allowed.

The other way could be to allow continual supplimentary picks until AFL lists are finalised.

So say, I hold Mav Weller and he doesnt get picked up, I can drop him and take a supplemental pick.

Its sort of the same thing that happens in most comps if a player retired after drafting etc, such as Tippett this year.

[Rusty00]

Sounds like a well reasoned approach Koop.

On this topic, does this mean that Keegan Brooksby is automatically added back onto my list?

[iZander]

Sounds like a well reasoned approach Koop.

On this topic, does this mean that Keegan Brooksby is automatically added back onto my list?

basically, with a late rookie pick if you want :) i think?

[Koop]

Sounds like a well reasoned approach Koop.

On this topic, does this mean that Keegan Brooksby is automatically added back onto my list?

basically, with a late rookie pick if you want :) i think?

Yep just needs to be nominated before the rookie draft.

[SilverLion]

So, taking the case of Clarke as an example. I can delist an additional player now to allow a spot for Clarke, however if Clarke isn't picked up for whatever reason I would have to use a supplementary rookie pick, and would lose whoever I delisted.

Would I have to mention this somehow in my list lodgement as well?



My suggestion would be that if these players are picked up (as theoretically it can happen anytime between december 1 and march 15), and they have officially signed, is for the team that had them previously listed to then choose to make an additional delisting for them, or not take them at all. However, this delisting would be after the official delisting date, and the player delisted would be inelligible for this year's rookie draft.

I don't like the thought of having to delist a player now on the proviso that a player I formerly had listed is likely to be picked up, as I could be delisting them when I don't need to.

[Ringo]

Nice reasoning Koop and very reasonable as it takes into consideration any former franchise players that may be picked up after our drafts and before the March deadline.

[Ringo]

National Draft is due to start on November 29th which is fine. Just wondering though at conclusion of National Draft we pause and adjust any former players that may have been signed since December 1st as I suspect a lot will be known early.

[SilverLion]

Nice reasoning Koop and very reasonable as it takes into consideration any former franchise players that may be picked up after our drafts and before the March deadline.

National Draft is due to start on November 29th which is fine. Just wondering though at conclusion of National Draft we pause and adjust any former players that may have been signed since December 1st as I suspect a lot will be known early.

a) be taken by their former team, if applicable, with their final pick.

b) be taken by their former team, only through dropping their last NON-NOMINATED player from the rookie draft

c) if former club doesn't want to take them, be available in next years draft

c) be available in next years draft if they are coming directly from the state leagues.

So to make sure I understand this clearly:

Scenario 1:

A player who was previously on a BXVs list but was delisted/retired from the AFL officially returns before the commencement of the BXVs rookie draft (which includes if they're signed after the BXVs delisting deadline - ??), they are able to be picked up by their former BXVs team provided they want them, and are incorporated into their list lodgement as "auto-drafted".

E.g. Sam Collins

Scenario 2:

A player who was previously on a BXVs list but was delisted/retired from the AFL officially returns during or after the BXVs rookie draft, they are able to be picked up by the their former BXVs team, however the team will either forfeit their final pick for them, or delist a player for them. If they delist a player for them, then the player delisted cannot be picked up in the BXVs rookie draft that year. And if they don't want the player in this situation, the player cannot be picked up in the BXVs rookie draft that year.

E.g. Mumford, Z Clarke, Brooksby, C Wagner, M Weller (all likely)

Scenario 3:

A player who has never been on an AFL list joins during or after the BXVs rookie draft. That player cannot be selected in the BXVs rookie draft that year, but will be available the following year if they are still on an AFL list.

E.g. Mitch Maguire (hypothetically)

That correct? And if so, the other question I have is how do we lodge players in scenario 2 in the list lodgement thread?

[Ringo]

In Scenario 2 eg Mumford and he has not signed by start of rookie draft list as follows and I am happy with this.

Last available pick in rookie draft even if a supplementary list as Mumford/Rookie Pick x.  That way you are intimating you want Mumford on your list and Rookie pick x you are happy to return to pool.