2018 Off Season (list changes and trade rumours)

[Ricochet]

Surely Lobb is worth more than a late teens early 20's pick?

Most the stuff I have seen has been GWS wanting just inside the top 20. We have 23 atm

And Kelly's manager has said for the second time today that Kelly doesn't want to go to Freo at all. He'll stay at Geelong for another year if he can't get to WCE

Kelly's manager is a dick  :P He only has a handful of AFL clients and has a vendetta against Freo for a few reasons.

If Neale is saying he wants to go, then just get it all done already

We don't know what's happening behind closed doors with Bell and Neale. But yes if Neale is 100% and Bell can't convince him then it'll get done.

Then freo should offer next year's first rounder + 11 for hoges

I've thought this would be the deal from day 1 mate. Find it weird that it hasn't come up much as an option
We've traded a future 3rd so we'd have to get one back in to do it, but it seems like the obvious deal imo

[RaisyDaisy]

Yeah I'm aware Kelly's manager doesn't get along with Freo, but in an interview today he actually acknowledged that and said Tim has told him he'll stay at Geelong if he can't get to WCE as he won't play for a bottom side. His words apparently

Freo have been looking for a forward for 7 years, and now they finally have 2 that actually want to come and play with them. They'd be crazy to let either of them slip

[Ricochet]

Yeah I'm aware Kelly's manager doesn't get along with Freo, but in an interview today he actually acknowledged that and said Tim has told him he'll stay at Geelong if he can't get to WCE as he won't play for a bottom side. His words apparently

Freo have been looking for a forward for 7 years, and now they finally have 2 that actually want to come and play with them. They'd be crazy to let either of them slip

But but but he's home sick isn't he?? Haha nah i get it. If i didn't like a club or have something against its ppl there, i wouldn't want to go there either.


Like i said, it's Friday so plenty of time to sort it. Just about all the trades last year happened in the last few days. We've been spoilt this year :P

[Ricochet]

Moving away from Freo for a sec :P



I cannot believe how bad GWS' salary cap issues are. There's Lobb, Shiel, Setterfield (who was supposedly on decent money), and also Scully, but now Jon Ralph is throwing up Jon Patton's name again.

How have they let it get to this

[SilverLion]

Ha the hate everywhere is real atm ;D


The way I see it is...
Melb initially wanted two first rounders (may have even seen two top 10 picks)
Freo offered 11 and a 2nd rounder
Both are obviously a little off (Melb have now apparently said they would taken 6 and a 2nd rounder which is probs about right imo)

Bell has been consistent in wanting to convince Neale to stay
Melb want pick 5 in the Neale compo involved
Freo don't have 5 atm and if they're trying to convince Neale to stay, then can't use it in an offer

Freo have walked away with Bell stating that what "Melb would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet"
Rosich added after that they still wanted Hogan but not at Melbourne's price.

Until Bell concede's that he cannot convince Neale to stay, then they cannot use #6 in a trade for Hogan,
So there's no point continuing discussion with Melb until that happens, or Melb drop their offer. The former is most likely imo

Remember we have a lot going on with other moving parts. Lobb needs to come in for a late teens/early 20s pick, there's Tom Langdon and apparently we're still looking into Kelly,

It's only Friday. There's plenty more to play out. I'm sure it'll happen :)

Bell has come out and said that it would be a "feather in his cap" if he could convince Neale to stay, which to me sends such a bad message. Seems like Bell is treating him more so as a trophy for his reputation, rather than wanting to keep him for the right reasons.

He is delusional if he truly believes he can walk in as CEO and have one conversation with a player and that he will be able to change their mind on a career defining decision. In addition, if he is prioritising trying to keep a player who doesn't want to be there rather than be willing to bring in a player who does then he has his priorities wrong. Neale wants to go, let him go, don't be stubborn and spend the whole trade period trying to convince him to stay as it will (if it hasn't already) cost them.

This, on top of offering unders for Hogan and asking overs for Neale is the reason theres so much hate coming their way. They are proving incredibly hard to deal with as they seem to want everything and be willing to give nothing.

Rant over.

[shaker]

Ha the hate everywhere is real atm ;D


The way I see it is...
Melb initially wanted two first rounders (may have even seen two top 10 picks)
Freo offered 11 and a 2nd rounder
Both are obviously a little off (Melb have now apparently said they would taken 6 and a 2nd rounder which is probs about right imo)

Bell has been consistent in wanting to convince Neale to stay
Melb want pick 5 in the Neale compo involved
Freo don't have 5 atm and if they're trying to convince Neale to stay, then can't use it in an offer

Freo have walked away with Bell stating that what "Melb would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet"
Rosich added after that they still wanted Hogan but not at Melbourne's price.

Until Bell concede's that he cannot convince Neale to stay, then they cannot use #6 in a trade for Hogan,
So there's no point continuing discussion with Melb until that happens, or Melb drop their offer. The former is most likely imo

Remember we have a lot going on with other moving parts. Lobb needs to come in for a late teens/early 20s pick, there's Tom Langdon and apparently we're still looking into Kelly,

It's only Friday. There's plenty more to play out. I'm sure it'll happen :)

Bell has come out and said that it would be a "feather in his cap" if he could convince Neale to stay, which to me sends such a bad message. Seems like Bell is treating him more so as a trophy for his reputation, rather than wanting to keep him for the right reasons.

He is delusional if he truly believes he can walk in as CEO and have one conversation with a player and that he will be able to change their mind on a career defining decision. In addition, if he is prioritising trying to keep a player who doesn't want to be there rather than be willing to bring in a player who does then he has his priorities wrong. Neale wants to go, let him go, don't be stubborn and spend the whole trade period trying to convince him to stay as it will (if it hasn't already) cost them.

This, on top of offering unders for Hogan and asking overs for Neale is the reason theres so much hate coming their way. They are proving incredibly hard to deal with as they seem to want everything and be willing to give nothing.

Rant over.

Both Hogan and Neale are high quality contracted players and both are worth 2 first round picks every day of the week so if the Lions and Freo are not going to stop flowering around and offer due compensation this is going to drag on , there are 2 clubs that look like there are big problems firstly Freo there something not right about how it is being run and it all looks like off field to me I'm guessing Ross Lyon will not see out his contract.
The other is Port to a lesser extent but an exodus of quality players always rings alarm bells.

PS we won't incude GC and GWS because they are the AFL's new experiments  :D

[Nige]

Moving away from Freo for a sec :P



I cannot believe how bad GWS' salary cap issues are. There's Lobb, Shiel, Setterfield (who was supposedly on decent money), and also Scully, but now Jon Ralph is throwing up Jon Patton's name again.

How have they let it get to this

It’s crazy. They must have been paying a fair few players more than their worth to keep them around, but also back-loaded a lot of these contracts resulting in a really awkwardly timed cap squeeze.

[JBs-Hawks]

Moving away from Freo for a sec :P



I cannot believe how bad GWS' salary cap issues are. There's Lobb, Shiel, Setterfield (who was supposedly on decent money), and also Scully, but now Jon Ralph is throwing up Jon Patton's name again.

How have they let it get to this

It’s crazy. They must have been paying a fair few players more than their worth to keep them around, but also back-loaded a lot of these contracts resulting in a really awkwardly timed cap squeeze.

And Collingwood are still paying Shaw

[RaisyDaisy]

Damien Barrett mentioned the whole Patton thing yesterday on Trade Radio

Ralph trying to claim it? hah,

Wayne Campbell basically hinted that they knew this day would come, so to speak

[Ricochet]

Ha the hate everywhere is real atm ;D


The way I see it is...
Melb initially wanted two first rounders (may have even seen two top 10 picks)
Freo offered 11 and a 2nd rounder
Both are obviously a little off (Melb have now apparently said they would taken 6 and a 2nd rounder which is probs about right imo)

Bell has been consistent in wanting to convince Neale to stay
Melb want pick 5 in the Neale compo involved
Freo don't have 5 atm and if they're trying to convince Neale to stay, then can't use it in an offer

Freo have walked away with Bell stating that what "Melb would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet"
Rosich added after that they still wanted Hogan but not at Melbourne's price.

Until Bell concede's that he cannot convince Neale to stay, then they cannot use #6 in a trade for Hogan,
So there's no point continuing discussion with Melb until that happens, or Melb drop their offer. The former is most likely imo

Remember we have a lot going on with other moving parts. Lobb needs to come in for a late teens/early 20s pick, there's Tom Langdon and apparently we're still looking into Kelly,

It's only Friday. There's plenty more to play out. I'm sure it'll happen :)

Bell has come out and said that it would be a "feather in his cap" if he could convince Neale to stay, which to me sends such a bad message. Seems like Bell is treating him more so as a trophy for his reputation, rather than wanting to keep him for the right reasons.

He is delusional if he truly believes he can walk in as CEO and have one conversation with a player and that he will be able to change their mind on a career defining decision. In addition, if he is prioritising trying to keep a player who doesn't want to be there rather than be willing to bring in a player who does then he has his priorities wrong. Neale wants to go, let him go, don't be stubborn and spend the whole trade period trying to convince him to stay as it will (if it hasn't already) cost them.

This, on top of offering unders for Hogan and asking overs for Neale is the reason theres so much hate coming their way. They are proving incredibly hard to deal with as they seem to want everything and be willing to give nothing.

Rant over.

Can't agree with much of that at all sorry mate

It's ridiculous how much the "feather in my cap" comment has blown up towards Bell. It was simply showing his intent to try and keep Neale. Bell is as far away from being all about himself than anybody.

The reasons that Neale wants to leave are fixable.

Neale is a dual Doig Medallist. Of course they're going to prioritize him over others if they think he's retainable. He's been your boy for so many years already, he's the #1 priority. It'd be disrespectful not to

That is until you think he's definitely gone. Something that you or I wouldn't know at this stage.


On the offer. There's always 2 sides to a story. Maybe Jesse's foot is buggered

[SilverLion]

Ha the hate everywhere is real atm ;D


The way I see it is...
Melb initially wanted two first rounders (may have even seen two top 10 picks)
Freo offered 11 and a 2nd rounder
Both are obviously a little off (Melb have now apparently said they would taken 6 and a 2nd rounder which is probs about right imo)

Bell has been consistent in wanting to convince Neale to stay
Melb want pick 5 in the Neale compo involved
Freo don't have 5 atm and if they're trying to convince Neale to stay, then can't use it in an offer

Freo have walked away with Bell stating that what "Melb would be seeking for a trade would not be possible for our club to meet"
Rosich added after that they still wanted Hogan but not at Melbourne's price.

Until Bell concede's that he cannot convince Neale to stay, then they cannot use #6 in a trade for Hogan,
So there's no point continuing discussion with Melb until that happens, or Melb drop their offer. The former is most likely imo

Remember we have a lot going on with other moving parts. Lobb needs to come in for a late teens/early 20s pick, there's Tom Langdon and apparently we're still looking into Kelly,

It's only Friday. There's plenty more to play out. I'm sure it'll happen :)

Bell has come out and said that it would be a "feather in his cap" if he could convince Neale to stay, which to me sends such a bad message. Seems like Bell is treating him more so as a trophy for his reputation, rather than wanting to keep him for the right reasons.

He is delusional if he truly believes he can walk in as CEO and have one conversation with a player and that he will be able to change their mind on a career defining decision. In addition, if he is prioritising trying to keep a player who doesn't want to be there rather than be willing to bring in a player who does then he has his priorities wrong. Neale wants to go, let him go, don't be stubborn and spend the whole trade period trying to convince him to stay as it will (if it hasn't already) cost them.

This, on top of offering unders for Hogan and asking overs for Neale is the reason theres so much hate coming their way. They are proving incredibly hard to deal with as they seem to want everything and be willing to give nothing.

Rant over.

Can't agree with much of that at all sorry mate

It's ridiculous how much the "feather in my cap" comment has blown up towards Bell. It was simply showing his intent to try and keep Neale. Bell is as far away from being all about himself than anybody.

The reasons that Neale wants to leave are fixable.

Neale is a dual Doig Medallist. Of course they're going to prioritize him over others if they think he's retainable. He's been your boy for so many years already, he's the #1 priority. It'd be disrespectful not to

That is until you think he's definitely gone. Something that you or I wouldn't know at this stage.


On the offer. There's always 2 sides to a story. Maybe Jesse's foot is buggered

All good mate, just goes to show how things can be interpreted differently by different people. Can see both sides to it. Wouldn't have hurt Bell to say "It would be great for the club and its supporters if he were to stay" or something like that, rather than what he did, but I guess he didn't expect it to blow up like it did. I think we all know Bell would not be that naive to make it all about him, but how he said it definitely can create that impression.

[shaker]

Saints saying pick 4 could be up for grabs for the right deal to entice the Crows and Port to grab the standout SA young guns but it all seems a bit risky to me with GC having 2 and 3 , must be odds on that they will grab Lukosius and his schoolmate Rankine that's if the Blues go down the path that's been talked about plus there 4 other highly touted SA young guys so don't think it will happen ?

[GoLions]

Saints saying pick 4 could be up for grabs for the right deal to entice the Crows and Port to grab the standout SA young guns but it all seems a bit risky to me with GC having 2 and 3 , must be odds on that they will grab Lukosius and his schoolmate Rankine that's if the Blues go down the path that's been talked about plus there 4 other highly touted SA young guys so don't think it will happen ?

One of Rankine, Lukosius, Rozee will be available at 4, possibly 5 or 6 depending on whether the Suns take the King brothers or Smith over the SA guys

[shaker]

Saints saying pick 4 could be up for grabs for the right deal to entice the Crows and Port to grab the standout SA young guns but it all seems a bit risky to me with GC having 2 and 3 , must be odds on that they will grab Lukosius and his schoolmate Rankine that's if the Blues go down the path that's been talked about plus there 4 other highly touted SA young guys so don't think it will happen ?

One of Rankine, Lukosius, Rozee will be available at 4, possibly 5 or 6 depending on whether the Suns take the King brothers or Smith over the SA guys

Taking two 200cm+ plus guys in this years bumper draft could be a bit risky but it is certainly a draft to look forward to

[RaisyDaisy]

HS reporting that Roughead to Collingwood will be a done deal, for a late pick