2019 Locks

Started by LaHug, August 28, 2018, 02:36:29 PM

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enzedder

The three I'm most keen on in defence atm are Docherty , Williams and Witherden. Cheap, cheaper and cheapest.
Docherty will pick himself. Will be interesting to see what his starting price will be. Williams scored 117 in his comeback final to remind everyone what he can do. Will be heavily discounted. Witherden with the new kick in rules (52 kickins to self in 2018) and average of 83 screams pick me more than Lloyd, Laird and Sicily. Not saying the latter names won't be good picks but i think I'll try and get them for cheaper later on in the season.
Haven't locked any in the mids yet but will consider: Oliver, Fyfe, Mitchell, J Kelly, Libba, Scully and Steele.
Rucks- none locked but two of Gawn, Grundy and Westhoff most likely at this stage.
Fwds - Danger locked and probably Westhoff (if not as R2) and Heeney.

LaHug

Quote from: enzedder on December 04, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
Witherden with the new kick in rules (52 kickins to self in 2018) and average of 83 screams pick me more than Lloyd, Laird and Sicily.

But he already earned points for those kick ins so his average wouldn't go up just because he doesn't have to kick to himself first... Unless you think he'll play on a lot more because it's easier?

enzedder

Quote from: LaHug on December 05, 2018, 08:00:03 AM
Quote from: enzedder on December 04, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
Witherden with the new kick in rules (52 kickins to self in 2018) and average of 83 screams pick me more than Lloyd, Laird and Sicily.

But he already earned points for those kick ins so his average wouldn't go up just because he doesn't have to kick to himself first... Unless you think he'll play on a lot more because it's easier?
Yep, should be easier, should happen more, should improve further anyway.

elephants

Quote from: enzedder on December 04, 2018, 05:02:28 PM
The three I'm most keen on in defence atm are Docherty , Williams and Witherden. Cheap, cheaper and cheapest.
Docherty will pick himself. Will be interesting to see what his starting price will be. Williams scored 117 in his comeback final to remind everyone what he can do. Will be heavily discounted. Witherden with the new kick in rules (52 kickins to self in 2018) and average of 83 screams pick me more than Lloyd, Laird and Sicily. Not saying the latter names won't be good picks but i think I'll try and get them for cheaper later on in the season.
Haven't locked any in the mids yet but will consider: Oliver, Fyfe, Mitchell, J Kelly, Libba, Scully and Steele.
Rucks- none locked but two of Gawn, Grundy and Westhoff most likely at this stage.
Fwds - Danger locked and probably Westhoff (if not as R2) and Heeney.

Scully not looking real likely for RD1 at this stage

_wato

That’s good point you raise LH, shouldn’t we be looking at guys who have low kick ins to self as it will be easier to actually do it, for a large boost in points to those guys?

GoLions

Quote from: _wato on December 05, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
That’s good point you raise LH, shouldn’t we be looking at guys who have low kick ins to self as it will be easier to actually do it, for a large boost in points to those guys?
I would say you just want the guys who take a showerload of kickins regardless of how often they generally play on or not.

_wato

Quote from: GoLions on December 05, 2018, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: _wato on December 05, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
That’s good point you raise LH, shouldn’t we be looking at guys who have low kick ins to self as it will be easier to actually do it, for a large boost in points to those guys?
I would say you just want the guys who take a showerload of kickins regardless of how often they generally play on or not.

Good point. Is there a stat somewhere that shows this?
For example I know at Sydney, Lloyd and McVeigh share kick ins, and at plenty of other clubs it’s not just the one guy.
The blokes who have low play on % and have a high share in their respective teams kick ins are the guys to get.
Looking at Luke Ryan for example, he hardly ever played on did he?

shaker

Quote from: GoLions on December 05, 2018, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: _wato on December 05, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
That’s good point you raise LH, shouldn’t we be looking at guys who have low kick ins to self as it will be easier to actually do it, for a large boost in points to those guys?
I would say you just want the guys who take a showerload of kickins regardless of how often they generally play on or not.
I would say just pick the backmen that have proved that they are consistent high scorers and if they kick it in as well that's a bonus  ;)

_wato

#53
That's true.

At this stage I don't think I'll be paying up for any of the high scoring defenders. Doc and ZWilliams are locks and Whitfield's floor is 100, with all the blokes they've shipped, he could go 105+

DEF: Docherty, Whitfield, Williams (looking at Lloyd, Laird, Sicily, Andrews, Witherden, Ryan, Birchall

Unsure on my mids at this stage. Would love to fit in B Crouch whom I think will be a steal at his price. Probably comes at the expense of his brother whom I'd love. Other bloke I'd love is Fyfe who is a scoring machine but he always misses games, is an absolute killer year in year out.

MID: Dusty, Oliver, Cripps, Kelly, B Crouch (looking at Fyfe, Neale, Zorko, Macrae, Sloane, MCrouch, Zerrett, Treloar, Jelwood, Titch, Parker, Yeo, Bont)

Grundy is locked. Gawn is not. Am very tempted by Goldy who averaged 110 past Round 9, priced at 100. Mummy is tempting but he misses first 3 games does he not?

RUC: Grundy, Goldstein (Ruc/Fwd swing) (looking at Gawn and Mummy)

So many options, it's literally self explanatory really.

FWD: Dangerfield, Heeney, Hoff (ruck cover) (looking at Wingard, Menegola, Dunkley, Elliott, Daniher, Billings)

Could easily fit another premo into this team on a line I feel (Probably in defence). Fill the rest with all rookies.

elephants

Quote from: _wato on December 05, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
That’s good point you raise LH, shouldn’t we be looking at guys who have low kick ins to self as it will be easier to actually do it, for a large boost in points to those guys?

Low kick in to self % from a high number of attempts ideally. Statistically speaking I think Luke Ryan was the best in this regard

Still waiting for an official ruling from CD but if it is as we assume, every kick in taken from outside the square counts as a stat, that could be phenomenal for scoring defenders. I'd be shocked to see less than 95% of kick ins taken from outside the square

LaHug

Quote from: elephants on December 06, 2018, 02:28:18 AM
Quote from: _wato on December 05, 2018, 07:37:12 PM
That’s good point you raise LH, shouldn’t we be looking at guys who have low kick ins to self as it will be easier to actually do it, for a large boost in points to those guys?

Low kick in to self % from a high number of attempts ideally. Statistically speaking I think Luke Ryan was the best in this regard

Still waiting for an official ruling from CD but if it is as we assume, every kick in taken from outside the square counts as a stat, that could be phenomenal for scoring defenders. I'd be shocked to see less than 95% of kick ins taken from outside the square

Yeah, even more so for AF/DT scoring, I'll be looking closely at anyone that took a lot of kick ins last year but usually didn't play on. Particularly with the man on the mark being moved back so far, players will surely play on to the front all the time.

Money Shot

All these people who are locking in “Westhoff”, Do you see him maintaining his once off 100 average at 33 years old or would you be happy if he averaged 90?

iZander

Quote from: Money Shot on December 06, 2018, 04:27:17 PM
All these people who are locking in “Westhoff”, Do you see him maintaining his once off 100 average at 33 years old or would you be happy if he averaged 90?
Hahah please stop pointing this out! I need an up on the others after I undoubtably pick a guy who gets injured in the first quarter week 1

Nige

I imagine that those considering Westhoff are doing it for the fact he provides good ruck cover thanks to his ruc/fwd status and the fact he should still be good for at least a 90 avg. His role (which is already pretty friendly) isn't gonna be that much different except for a bit less ruck time than he got this year.

Not sure why his age is that relevant because he doesn't exactly look like it's catching up with him and he's a pretty important part of the side. Backing up this year with the same average would be best case scenario, but even if he doesn't achieve that, he's still a handy asset.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Nige on December 06, 2018, 04:50:44 PM
I imagine that those considering Westhoff are doing it for the fact he provides good ruck cover thanks to his ruc/fwd status and the fact he should still be good for at least a 90 avg. His role (which is already pretty friendly) isn't gonna be that much different except for a bit less ruck time than he got this year.

Not sure why his age is that relevant because he doesn't exactly look like it's catching up with him and he's a pretty important part of the side. Backing up this year with the same average would be best case scenario, but even if he doesn't achieve that, he's still a handy asset.

+1

Hoff could certainly average 90ish, and the fact that he provides ruck cover and is durable as hell makes him a very attractive option

It's a super risky move, but you could start Mummy and bench him for the first 2 weeks, fielding Hoff at R2 and an extra rookie on field for the first 2 weeks. Won't interest those chasing overall, but for league players that's a strategy worth considering

We had no R/F options last year, and people might be already forgetting how blessed we were to have rucks play all year

I wouldn't expect that to happen again. Having ruck cover is always very important