WXV Rules Discussion 2018

[RaisyDaisy]

Bit disappointed the VC/C didn't get up - it's an SC staple

[Purple 77]

Two teams left to vote:
- Mexico City
- Seoul



2. Partial Lockout Loopholing
A. Allow
B. Continue to Disallow

A - 4
B - 10

7. Rivalry Round to be the round with no HGA (note: can't be next year due to the 2018-2019 fixture pairing)
A. Yes - adds an extra spectacle.
B. No - should be free to decide what games are neutral every two years.

A - 9
B - 5

10. Increase Resting Bonus from 10% to 20%
A. Yes - it will provide a meaningful incentive to rest.
B. No - the bonus is high enough.

A - 10
B - 4

13. Top-Up Picks to be allocated AFTER Rookie Draft instead of BEFORE the Pre-Season Draft.
A. Yes - it encourages retention of late national draft picks and rewards those who do.
B. No - list gaps should be filled up prior to Rookie Draft to keep lists more even in the first 40 players.

A - 11
B - 3

16. Rather than a flat 50% penalty for OOP rucks, should the penalty reduce per hit-out your OOP ruck gets? (percentages to be voted upon if vote is successful)
A. Yes
B. No

A - 5
B - 9

18. Regardless of whether ruck concessions are granted, should we scrap the ability to use an alternate team format such as Flood/Attacks?
A. Yes
B. No

A - 5
B - 9

23. When drafting - during the 2 hr rule window to make your draft pick - should we introduce "Live Pick Trading" where any trades are auto-passed if it meets the AFL guidelines of fair pick trading? (i.e. within 200 points of total draft pick value)?
A. Yes
B. No

A - 5
B - 9

24. Should you be able to trade future draft picks (1 year in the future only)?
A. Yes
B. No

A - 5
B - 9

[Purple 77]

Remaining votes

1. Should we bring Back the Leadership Group (according to the same rules of 2017)?
A. Yes - it was nice little feature of Worlds, and is more realistic of an AFL team.
B. No - you should be able to have absolute freedom in naming your captain each week.

3. Rolling Lockout Loopholing during Bye Rounds (our WXV Split Round & EurAsia/AAP Rounds only)
A. Allow
B. Continue to Disallow

6. Mid-Season Trade Period (that takes place during bye rounds)
A. Yes; with number of trades allowed to be determined in next vote
B. No

8. Retired Players to be exempt from Min/Max Cap Calculations
A. Player salaries of retired players shouldn't count in the calculation of the min/max caps
B. Player salaries of retired players should count in the calculation of the min/max caps, as they help reflect the scoring power available in a typical year

17. If no OOP ruck concessions are granted, should we scrap the ability to use an alternate team format such as Flood/Attacks?
A. Yes
B. No

[Purple 77]

Personally, I'm excited about the increase in resting bonus and top-up draft picks now allocated at the end of the PSD (congrats Daz on that one) :)

[DazBurg]

Personally, I'm excited about the increase in resting bonus and top-up draft picks now allocated at the end of the PSD (congrats Daz on that one) :)

glad that got through as some know i felt strongly on that one
actually done the research to back up why

1 rule proposal 1 rule changed 100% strike rate  8)

[Purple 77]

Alrighty, rule vote results!

1
A. 9
B. 7

2
A. 5
B. 11

3
A. 8 - I voted A, so A wins.
B. 8

4
A. 6
B. 10

5
A. 3
B. 13

6
A. 6
B. 10

7
A. 9
B. 7

8
A. 10
B. 6

9
A. 3
B. 13

10
A. 12
B. 4

11
A. 2
B. 13

12
A. 13
B. 3

13
A. 13
B. 3

14
A. 0
B. 16

15
A. 3
B. 13

16
A. 5
B. 11

17
A. 6
B. 10

18
A. 5
B. 11

19
A. 4
B. 12

20
A. 5
B. 11

21
A. 1
B. 15

22
A. 5
B. 11

23
A. 5
B. 11

24
A. 5
B. 11



1. Should we bring Back the Leadership Group (according to the same rules of 2017)?
A. Yes - it was nice little feature of Worlds, and is more realistic of an AFL team.
B. No - you should be able to have absolute freedom in naming your captain each week.

2. Partial Lockout Loopholing
A. Allow
B. Continue to Disallow

3. Rolling Lockout Loopholing during Bye Rounds (our WXV Split Round & EurAsia/AAP Rounds only)
A. Allow
B. Continue to Disallow

4. All Partial Lockouts should be Rolling Lockouts, where loopholing is permitted (but non-partial/rolling lockouts should remain as full-lockouts)
A. Yes - reintroduces the ability to loophole which is sometimes needed to field your best XV, whilst not disadvantaging those teams without Thursday/Friday night players
B. No - teams should be locked in once all available players are known, like this year.

5. Rolling Lockouts every week with full loopholing abilities
A. Yes
B. No

6. Mid-Season Trade Period (that takes place during bye rounds)
A. Yes; with number of trades allowed to be determined in next vote
B. No

7. Rivalry Round to be the round with no HGA (note: can't be next year due to the 2018-2019 fixture pairing)
A. Yes - adds an extra spectacle.
B. No - should be free to decide what games are neutral every two years.

8. Retired Players to be exempt from Min/Max Cap Calculations
A. Player salaries of retired players shouldn't count in the calculation of the min/max caps
B. Player salaries of retired players should count in the calculation of the min/max caps, as they help reflect the scoring power available in a typical year

9. Should you be able to stack your Floods/Attacks in one round? For example, you can elect to use two of your floods to play 6 defenders and two forwards.
A. Yes
B. No

10. Increase Resting Bonus from 10% to 20%
A. Yes - it will provide a meaningful incentive to rest.
B. No - the bonus is high enough.

11. Should we be able to rest more than 1 player per week? (with a cap to be determined in the next vote if successful)
A. Yes
B. No

12. Remove Rookie List/Draft (i.e. move from split of 40 seniors / 4-5 rookies to 44-45 seniors, where the Pre-Season Draft which will be extended to finish off your lists)
A. Yes - if you don't have to upgrade rookies anymore, there shouldn't be a rookie list.
B. No - it’s a unique element of Worlds.

13. Top-Up Picks to be allocated AFTER Rookie Draft instead of BEFORE the Pre-Season Draft.
A. Yes - it encourages retention of late national draft picks and rewards those who do.
B. No - list gaps should be filled up prior to Rookie Draft to keep lists more even in the first 40 players.

14. In addition to Floods/Attacks, should we have the option to not play a ruck? (with the decision to decide if extra forward, mid, defender or utility spot to be done later if successful)
A. Yes
B. No

15. Rather than a flat 50% penalty for OOP rucks, should it be less if you play a tall player? (percentages to be voted upon if vote is successful)
A. Yes
B. No

16. Rather than a flat 50% penalty for OOP rucks, should the penalty reduce per hit-out your OOP ruck gets? (percentages to be voted upon if vote is successful)
A. Yes
B. No

17. If no OOP ruck concessions are granted, should we scrap the ability to use an alternate team format such as Flood/Attacks?
A. Yes
B. No

18. Regardless of whether ruck concessions are granted, should we scrap the ability to use an alternate team format such as Flood/Attacks?
A. Yes
B. No

19. Rather than being penalised 50% for having an OOP ruck, should the opposing ruck be granted a 50% bonus instead?
A. Yes
B. No

20. Should we scrap the ability to name Co-Captains, and adopt the following system instead?: Each week your VC is someone who plays before your C and if you want to bank the VC score you simply post in the thread advising Purps of so, however you must post advising so before your C plays otherwise you miss banking it and your C remains as captain.
A. Yes
B. No

21. Should the WXV Community decide upon the positions of players rather than SC?
A. Yes
B. No

22. Should the Salaries of Top 20 draft picks be worth more, where Pick 1 is worth 200k, Pick 2 is worth 195k, Pick 3 is 190k… Pick 19 is 110k, and Pick 20 is 105k?
A. Yes
B. No

23. When drafting - during the 2 hr rule window to make your draft pick - should we introduce "Live Pick Trading" where any trades are auto-passed if it meets the AFL guidelines of fair pick trading? (i.e. within 200 points of total draft pick value)?
A. Yes
B. No

24. Should you be able to trade future draft picks (1 year in the future only)?
A. Yes
B. No

[Purple 77]

So with the retired players cap calculation thing... I'll figure it out later  :-\

Gonna be real easy to get above the min cap now me thinks.

[Purple 77]

Flood/Attacks stay.

Leadership group returns!

And Rolling Lockout during the bye rounds with full loopholing abilities.

[iZander]

So with the retired players cap calculation thing... I'll figure it out later  :-\

Gonna be real easy to get above the min cap now me thinks.

great work guys you just made the cap even more wrong.

The system was somewhat balanced with young players being undervalued, now the counter balance is removed.

also  now purp needs to waste his time for stupidity.

yep this is one of those didnt look close enough at the rule thing but at first glance it looks logical. Thanks alot Meow ;)

[GoLions]

23 year old 105 average defender    343 salary


27 year old 60 average mid   501 salary
30 year old 85 mid 462 salary


seems legit.

I think I might be able to fix the salary issue. Take a player's current cap, and double it. Then multiply it by 5. After this, divide the new player cap by the original. Then take away 9. This gives you the new player salary. Max, min, and avg caps can be easily worked out from there, don't see why there would be any complaints. Qed.

[Purple 77]

So um, with this one

8. Retired Players to be exempt from Min/Max Cap Calculations
A. Player salaries of retired players shouldn't count in the calculation of the min/max caps
B. Player salaries of retired players should count in the calculation of the min/max caps, as they help reflect the scoring power available in a typical year

Just judging off the reaction on Discord, some might not be totally aware of what this means?

I'm also not totally sure how to go about it. It will require a new average/min/max cap calculation in semi-frequent intervals, and at what point should I stop? After 4 weeks? 2 weeks before List Lodgement date?

I'll leave those who voted for it to help me out here :)

[RaisyDaisy]

So um, with this one

8. Retired Players to be exempt from Min/Max Cap Calculations
A. Player salaries of retired players shouldn't count in the calculation of the min/max caps
B. Player salaries of retired players should count in the calculation of the min/max caps, as they help reflect the scoring power available in a typical year

Just judging off the reaction on Discord, some might not be totally aware of what this means?

I'm also not totally sure how to go about it. It will require a new average/min/max cap calculation in semi-frequent intervals, and at what point should I stop? After 4 weeks? 2 weeks before List Lodgement date?

I'll leave those who voted for it to help me out here :)

Honestly, I think the best idea is that we discuss this one further here

It needs to be clearly explained, with an example, and then I honestly think after that is done it should be revoted on because I'm certain some people didn't actually quite understand it all

[DazBurg]

yeah maybe re-do it purps
i voted to get rid of retired players
but i can honestly say i didn't think about max/min caps and what problems that can cause

i simply thought Cyril Rioli? why should he count
(mind you having him count is actually better for us as we are the lowest cap team so actually probably need all those retired caps)

but yeah i did not think to in depth just thought of it as, not playing not paying haha

but yeah tbh seems like it cause way to much disruption trying to take it out therefore think we should just leave it in

[meow meow]

yeah maybe re-do it purps
i voted to get rid of retired players
but i can honestly say i didn't think about max/min caps and what problems that can cause

i simply thought Cyril Rioli? why should he count
(mind you having him count is actually better for us as we are the lowest cap team so actually probably need all those retired caps)

Cyril wouldn't be counted in your cap under either scenario as he's not going to be on a list in 2019, so he can't be on your list lodgement. The only difference is whether or not he's counted in the average/min/max caps. You'd be better off with him not counting if your cap is low.

Average cap with Cyril 10,500,000
Average cap without Cyril 10,499,985

It works the other way too. Basically all the highest cap teams get an extra 15k per retired player to go even further over the max cap.

[meow meow]

If every AFL player retired and 2019 lists were filled with 100k draftees the average would be 4,500,000 as each team would have 45 × 100k players. But the average cap would be around 10 million because we include the salaries of the Cyril's and Waite's. You'd have to magically come up with 4 million dollars to get over the minimum cap, but you can't do that because you can't include Cyril, even though the average cap does.