NBA Season 2018/19

[Holz]

TBH i reckon LBJ is a cancer to any team that he goes to.
Yes Gilbert is a douchebag but LBJ is the worst... he strips Teams of any decent future players for old washed up scrubs to get short term success, the 2nd time LBJ came to the cavs the team wasn't great but it was OK, then he came and pretty much stripped it bare of any decent future players and brang in overpaid bums just to win the east... now the Lakers have a lot of very talented young players and they (LBJ & magic) were willing to let go of most of them for AD, dont get me wrong AD is a monster, and i honestly believe that the NOP became too greedy and made a huge mistake in not taking the deal (Ingram/Kuzma/Ball/Hart/Zubac and 2 x 1st Rnd Picks) but c'mon that would've destroyed the Lakers in the long run... LBJ has 4 years max left to play and in those times he'll still be going up against the GSW, and after that will AD stay?? he'll probably leave, leaving Lakers in a sh*t position, i dont give a sh*t about the Lakers i just feel that everybody will forget about the scumbag side of LBJ when talking about his legacy.

phew... rant over.

Dan Gilbert and the cavs stuffed it up by attempting to trade Kyrie and then butchering the trade, when Lebron told them to keep Kyrie.

Look at what Indiana got for Paul George

lets just look at what the Cavs did with their high end picks.

2011: Tristan Thompson - was good in the Cavs championship year but been pretty disappointing, did get a big contract but it wasn't crazy given how he peformed that year

2011: Kyrie Irving: Nailed the obivous pick but as above they stuffed up the handling of it and got destroyed in the trade moving him for pick 8 essentially.

2012: Dion Waiters: fairly underwhelming pick given his draft range.

2013: Anthony Bennett complete bust

2014: Andrew Wiggins: picked him up then immediately traded for K love (this is one of the ones you can credit Lebron to. Love was a youngish allstar and has been a pretty big success id say having love on the roster has been alot better then having wiggins who hasn't really panned out as expected.


So thats 5 picks with 3 of them being #1s and 2 being #4s

they wiffed on Bennett, did well on Irving but stuffed up the trade, Lebron shipped off Wiggings for Love which was a good move, Waiters and Thompson they both missed on, Lebron pushing to pay for Thompson in hindsight was a mistake

The cavs stuffed up 4 of the above 5 picks and the only Lebron one is moving wiggins which was the correct move. If you want to blame Lebron the fact the cavs finished soo high each year and got late picks meants the Cavs didnt have any lottery picks but as above they showed they are pretty bad at using them.

The best moves the Cavs have  done is draft Lebron and Irving and those were a no brainers, everytime they have to make a call they stuff it up.

They had to take on bad contracts because they had no assets to work with, they brought in players on bad contracts as they where all they could get.

Its a win now league we have seen that a bunch of kids dont win championships. Im still waiting for Minnesota to do something.

Look at Philly they made moves to get Butler Tobias and its paying off,

[jvalles69]

I think we're a fair way off saying Philly getting Butler and Tobias is paying off.  No title with this group and it didn't pay off. 1 or more of them leave next season then see you at the next "Process".

[Mat0369]

I follow players not teams.

Lebron Simmons Embiid Davis are my guys.

I always dosliked the cavs organisation especially dan gilbert. Im very happy they are falling apart. I really hope they dont get zion, i have been watching zion for years.

If you weren't a Processer  don't get on the bandwagon.

I think we're a fair way off saying Philly getting Butler and Tobias is paying off.  No title with this group and it didn't pay off. 1 or more of them leave next season then see you at the next "Process".

Apart from the fact they still have Embiid and a max slot. I would have liked to have seen what Brand could have done with the Hinke haul instead of old mate with the overly large collar.

[LaHug]

If you weren't a Processer  don't get on the bandwagon.

How do you think I feel as a Lakers fan that watched 60+ games the last few years and now have the LeBron bandwagoners hating on the young guys!?

[Holz]

I follow players not teams.

Lebron Simmons Embiid Davis are my guys.

I always dosliked the cavs organisation especially dan gilbert. Im very happy they are falling apart. I really hope they dont get zion, i have been watching zion for years.

If you weren't a Processer  don't get on the bandwagon.

like it or hate it the NBA is a star league. The fans are split between fans of organisations and fans of players. People people around soo much in the NBA and with the NBA advertising its stars more then the teams it just makes sense, there are only 5 players on the court for your team at one time so following players is just as legit as following teams.

I followed Simmons and Embiid before they where even in the NBA. Simmons the obvious pick

in response to LaHug, those fans arent Lakers Band wagoners they are Loyal Lebron Fans. Its no different to people who werent Lebron fans but now support him because he plays for the lakers.

[Keeper27]

I dont mind or care about band wagoners... everybody at 1 time in their life was a wagoner.
I'm a spurs fan ever since David Robinson, might not be the best centre of of all time but he's definitely the best for me.
Much love for the #SPURSNATION

[RaisyDaisy]

I dont mind or care about band wagoners... everybody at 1 time in their life was a wagoner.
I'm a spurs fan ever since David Robinson, might not be the best centre of of all time but he's definitely the best for me.
Much love for the #SPURSNATION

Hah, I loved Robinson when I was kid and huge NBA fan

He was so damn ripped!

[Keeper27]

I dont mind or care about band wagoners... everybody at 1 time in their life was a wagoner.
I'm a spurs fan ever since David Robinson, might not be the best centre of of all time but he's definitely the best for me.
Much love for the #SPURSNATION

Hah, I loved Robinson when I was kid and huge NBA fan

He was so damn ripped!

Bad lol. He was a machine
Was very happy to see him win an MVP and a couple of championships before his retirement

[LaHug]

You have a point, Keeper. I started following the NBA in the late 90s and chose the Lakers because of Kobe and Shaq. But, unlike a lot of people I would consider true bandwagoners, I stuck with the team the whole way through even through the tanking era. So it still irks me a little that there are a whole bunch of new Lakers fans because of LeBron that don't actually love the team.

[RaisyDaisy]

I think Holz raises a fair point though

Most supporters outside of the USA follow their sides initially because of the players they like - obviously they don't live in any of the states so there is no home attachment, it's just player based

Fans who have been constantly following for the last 10-20 years like some of you here are always going to remain loyal to the team, not the players, but many many people, myself included, grew up as huge NBA fans but then for one reason or another lost interest 15+ years ago and have only recently got back into it within the past few years

I'm like Holz, I actually don't follow any team - I just love watching the best players and the best teams play each other

Happy to admit I'm not a die hard supporter by any means, but I can certainly understand why so many people nowadays follow their favourite players, and not the teams

I actually raised this with a friend of mine only last week. When we grew up on NBA in the late 80'a and 90's it was so easy to support your team because all the greats stayed with them, they were 1 club players

Nowadays there's so much player movement it's hard to be a new fan of NBA and stick with one side - people follow their players instead, and thats probably why I just don't follow a side at all - I just love watching the best

[Holz]

You have a point, Keeper. I started following the NBA in the late 90s and chose the Lakers because of Kobe and Shaq. But, unlike a lot of people I would consider true bandwagoners, I stuck with the team the whole way through even through the tanking era. So it still irks me a little that there are a whole bunch of new Lakers fans because of LeBron that don't actually love the team.

They arent Laker fans though they are Lebron fans and they are hoping the Lebron succeeds and for Lebron to succeed the Lakers must succeed. 

I clearly want the Lakers to do well as its the only way Lebron can do well and id buy and wear a Lakers Lebron Jersey but that doesnt make me a Lakers fan.

Lebron fans are actually pretty loyal, they defended him in 2011 and all the other down times.

[Holz]

I think Holz raises a fair point though

Most supporters outside of the USA follow their sides initially because of the players they like - obviously they don't live in any of the states so there is no home attachment, it's just player based

Fans who have been constantly following for the last 10-20 years like some of you here are always going to remain loyal to the team, not the players, but many many people, myself included, grew up as huge NBA fans but then for one reason or another lost interest 15+ years ago and have only recently got back into it within the past few years

I'm like Holz, I actually don't follow any team - I just love watching the best players and the best teams play each other

Happy to admit I'm not a die hard supporter by any means, but I can certainly understand why so many people nowadays follow their favourite players, and not the teams

I actually raised this with a friend of mine only last week. When we grew up on NBA in the late 80'a and 90's it was so easy to support your team because all the greats stayed with them, they were 1 club players

Nowadays there's so much player movement it's hard to be a new fan of NBA and stick with one side - people follow their players instead, and thats probably why I just don't follow a side at all - I just love watching the best

This is why i dont follow teams.

In the 90s i was a Charlotte Hornets Fan
Then the team moved to New Orelans and became the New Orleans Hornets
Then a team moved back to Charlotte and became the Charlotte Bobcats
Then New Orlean changes their name to the New Orelan Pelicans
The Charlotte Bobcats change to the Charlotte Hornets.

who on earth do i support? NO or Charlotte

The second example is it was totally possibly this year for the lakers in the space of 1 year to turn from

Ball Ingram Kuzma Randle
to
Rondo Stephenson Lebron Muscala AD.

So you rarely get a chance to follow players unlike the AFL where there might be some movement in 2-3 players of the best 22 but not 80-100% of the starting roster.

[LaHug]

Very fair and healthy argument. I like ele's summary best. I've followed the same team for 20 years so will remain a fan of the team regardless of player movement. Other fans just want their favourite players to succeed no matter where.

It's why I can be annoyed with the fact that, if we don't get AD now, LeBron's win-now influence has killed the team long term quite probably for no short term reward. Meanwhile, Holz doesn't have to care about the Lakers long term because he follows LeBron and not the team, so it was a risk worth taking in his eyes. That example is why it irks me that people can be fans of players and not teams - but I totally get why it's a thing.

[Holz]

Very fair and healthy argument. I like ele's summary best. I've followed the same team for 20 years so will remain a fan of the team regardless of player movement. Other fans just want their favourite players to succeed no matter where.

It's why I can be annoyed with the fact that, if we don't get AD now, LeBron's win-now influence has killed the team long term quite probably for no short term reward. Meanwhile, Holz doesn't have to care about the Lakers long term because he follows LeBron and not the team, so it was a risk worth taking in his eyes. That example is why it irks me that people can be fans of players and not teams - but I totally get why it's a thing.

I do understand where your coming from, however it is a win now league so if the Lakers can pick up a free agent even a jimmy butler or kemba then the lakers are positioned better with Lebron then without. Id say Lebron AD with nobody is far better then Kuzma Ingram Ball.

and lets be honest the lakers as an organisation are famous for bringing in superstars as much as they are for their home grown talent.

Shaq, Wilt, Kareem, Lebron

[elephants]

Yeah man flowering bandwagoners getting on the Nets give me the showers, like ffs stop just jumping on because of all our starts like Levert, Harris and DLo ffs