Best 22s Discussion Thread

[SilverLion]

I love this type of discussion, so much more in learnt like this than just saying he scores well so pick him.

Agreed

It was only when I looked at it this way that I realised that c ellis would be lucky to play 10 games this year.

Also interesting to see how likely rookies are to get a crack in every team.

So far not likely for anyone it would seem ;D

[TomK]

I dedicate this one to my boy TommyK and our resident best 22 expert LS.

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Richard Douglas, Taylor Walker, Tom Lynch
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
R: Sam Jacobs, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood, Curtly Hampton, Brad Crouch

Few injured players at the moment but they all should be good for Round 1 except for Brodie Smith who's gone for the season (most likely) with an ACL and Riley Knight who has an ankle injury too. Crows fans won't wanna see the great man David Mackay in the 22, but he'll hold his place for Round 1 at least.

Def: Keath, Cheney and Otten provide tall depth while Andrew McPherson is a young gun who'll find his way in eventually. As mentioned before, Brodie Smith is the other defender on the list but he's done his ACL.

Mid: Plenty of depth here with Gallucci, Poholke, CEY around the mark and then the old head of recent acquisition Sam Gibson. Jackson Edwards, Matt Signorello and Patrick Wilson provide depth too but are further down the pecking order.

Rucks: Sauce is safe as houses and Reilly O'Brien waits in the wings, while Paul Hunter is the third and final option that nobody has to worry about.

Fwd: Wayne Milera is close to the 22, while Riley Knight is injured. This is the year that we're likely to see some of Harry Dear at some point I'd say and Lachlan Murphy has put his hand up for a debut sooner rather than later. Darcy Fogarty is a gun who'll get his time soon while Elliott Himmelberg is the other tall on the list and Ben Davis and Ben Jarman are general forwards who make up depth for now.

Murphy in for Mackay and you've nearly written it for me, thanks Nige :-*

Id argue Doodee & Hampton aren't best 22. Gibson might come in for Mackay. Douglas not really half forward
B Crouch got injured at traning last week. Not sure on timeframe yet.
Knight is best 22 before he got injured.

Doedee is a like for like replacement for Lever in terms of intercepting, no one else can play that role, sure he's a few cms shorter but Lever never really played KPD anyway.

Hampton was best 22 at the start of last year before he got injured, and has had a very strong pre season so far, he can play forward, mid, and back, and has pace, something which we definitely need.

Gibson and Mackay should be used as depth only.

Brad is still on track for R1, might be risky playing him without a game under his belt (Same with Tex) but it's only a minor quad strain, hopefully right to go.

Yes, Knight is best 22 when fit, but aren't these for R1?

[TomK]

I'd say CEY is in line to play round 1 at this stage since BCrouch injury.

Great discussion guys, super helpful and insightful, reckon we need a thread just based on best 22s and discussions!

Don't think we'll play CEY and Greenwood in the same team, and CEY ain't pushing out the GOAT 8)

[Spite]

I'd say CEY is in line to play round 1 at this stage since BCrouch injury.

Great discussion guys, super helpful and insightful, reckon we need a thread just based on best 22s and discussions!

Don't think we'll play CEY and Greenwood in the same team, and CEY ain't pushing out the GOAT 8)

Why not? Crouch is a midfield extractor so its a like for like, regardless of Greenwood?

[LordSneeze]

I dedicate this one to my boy TommyK and our resident best 22 expert LS.

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Richard Douglas, Taylor Walker, Tom Lynch
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
R: Sam Jacobs, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood, Curtly Hampton, Brad Crouch

Few injured players at the moment but they all should be good for Round 1 except for Brodie Smith who's gone for the season (most likely) with an ACL and Riley Knight who has an ankle injury too. Crows fans won't wanna see the great man David Mackay in the 22, but he'll hold his place for Round 1 at least.

Def: Keath, Cheney and Otten provide tall depth while Andrew McPherson is a young gun who'll find his way in eventually. As mentioned before, Brodie Smith is the other defender on the list but he's done his ACL.

Mid: Plenty of depth here with Gallucci, Poholke, CEY around the mark and then the old head of recent acquisition Sam Gibson. Jackson Edwards, Matt Signorello and Patrick Wilson provide depth too but are further down the pecking order.

Rucks: Sauce is safe as houses and Reilly O'Brien waits in the wings, while Paul Hunter is the third and final option that nobody has to worry about.

Fwd: Wayne Milera is close to the 22, while Riley Knight is injured. This is the year that we're likely to see some of Harry Dear at some point I'd say and Lachlan Murphy has put his hand up for a debut sooner rather than later. Darcy Fogarty is a gun who'll get his time soon while Elliott Himmelberg is the other tall on the list and Ben Davis and Ben Jarman are general forwards who make up depth for now.

Murphy in for Mackay and you've nearly written it for me, thanks Nige :-*

Id argue Doodee & Hampton aren't best 22. Gibson might come in for Mackay. Douglas not really half forward
B Crouch got injured at traning last week. Not sure on timeframe yet.
Knight is best 22 before he got injured.

Doedee is a like for like replacement for Lever in terms of intercepting, no one else can play that role, sure he's a few cms shorter but Lever never really played KPD anyway.

Hampton was best 22 at the start of last year before he got injured, and has had a very strong pre season so far, he can play forward, mid, and back, and has pace, something which we definitely need.

Gibson and Mackay should be used as depth only.

Brad is still on track for R1, might be risky playing him without a game under his belt (Same with Tex) but it's only a minor quad strain, hopefully right to go.

Yes, Knight is best 22 when fit, but aren't these for R1?

Yes Doodee is logical replacement for Lever, but he is not yet best 22.
Hampton was being discussed as playing across half back, Half forward and mids last year. Hes def around the mark, but not convinced he is a best 22 just yet.

Agree with Gibson and Mackay, but feel we brought Gibson in for a reason. Tough to know his role as its only preseason

I thought it was an abdominal strain, but he is best 22 and willcome straight in when fit no matter what.

I think they are a hybrid of best 22 and R1 teams. We have been discussing best 22 and fringe players likely to benefit from injuries or shaky JS

[Nige]

Great discussion guys, super helpful and insightful, reckon we need a thread just based on best 22s and discussions!

Might create this now actually.

[TomK]

I'd say CEY is in line to play round 1 at this stage since BCrouch injury.

Great discussion guys, super helpful and insightful, reckon we need a thread just based on best 22s and discussions!

Don't think we'll play CEY and Greenwood in the same team, and CEY ain't pushing out the GOAT 8)

Why not? Crouch is a midfield extractor so its a like for like, regardless of Greenwood?

Replacing Crouch, who would be our quickest inside mid, with one of our slowest would make our midfield way too slow and one-paced, something which we don't need. Greenwood and CEY are very similar players and there's not room for both, imo.

[Nige]

Figured this could probably do with it's own thread considering I plan on doing a best 22 for every club.

Adelaide and Richmond have already been done, and I'll just work my way through alphabetically.

Keep in mind these are for Round 1, to get an idea of who might be playing and who might not.

Feel free to openly discuss these 22s and add your own, or even mention your tweaks.

[Nige]

Adelaide:

I dedicate this one to my boy TommyK and our resident best 22 expert LS.

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Richard Douglas, Taylor Walker, Tom Lynch
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
R: Sam Jacobs, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood, Curtly Hampton, Brad Crouch

Few injured players at the moment but they all should be good for Round 1 except for Brodie Smith who's gone for the season (most likely) with an ACL and Riley Knight who has an ankle injury too. Crows fans won't wanna see the great man David Mackay in the 22, but he'll hold his place for Round 1 at least.

Def: Keath, Cheney and Otten provide tall depth while Andrew McPherson is a young gun who'll find his way in eventually. As mentioned before, Brodie Smith is the other defender on the list but he's done his ACL.

Mid: Plenty of depth here with Gallucci, Poholke, CEY around the mark and then the old head of recent acquisition Sam Gibson. Jackson Edwards, Matt Signorello and Patrick Wilson provide depth too but are further down the pecking order.

Rucks: Sauce is safe as houses and Reilly O'Brien waits in the wings, while Paul Hunter is the third and final option that nobody has to worry about.

Fwd: Wayne Milera is close to the 22, while Riley Knight is injured. This is the year that we're likely to see some of Harry Dear at some point I'd say and Lachlan Murphy has put his hand up for a debut sooner rather than later. Darcy Fogarty is a gun who'll get his time soon while Elliott Himmelberg is the other tall on the list and Ben Davis and Ben Jarman are general forwards who make up depth for now.

Richmond:

B: Dylan Grimes, David Astbury, Reece Conca
HB: Bachar Houli, Alex Rance, Nick Vlastuin
C: Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Shaun Grigg,
R: Toby Nankervis, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin
HF: Josh Caddy, Jacob Townsend, Daniel Rioli
F: Dan Butler, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
I/C: Kane Lambert, Brandon Ellis, Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham

That's our best 22.

Def: Broad is suspended for the first three games and is no guarantee to come back in assuming Conca plays well enough to hold his spot, which based off preseason is likely. Flavour of the month Corey Ellis is fringe and probably needs someone to have a bad run of form or injury to get a look in. Jayden Short had a decent preseason too but he's behind Broad and Ellis. Garthwaite is the most likely and arguably only ready tall to come in (Broad's more a medium defender that can play tall or small) but that won't happen unless Rance, Grimes or Astbury go down. Mabior Chol could do it too, but that's incredibly unlikely. Derek Smith is a gun and will be the next Bachar Houli but that's two years off at least I'd say.

Mid: Depth is here, partially because all the guys on the interchange can play through the mids and then you have Miles, Lloyd (can also be a fwd), Higgins (not likely to feature until mid season at the earliest) are some names. Then you have guys like Menadue for a wing. Don't expect Naish at all, not this year anyway. Also Butler and Rioli will spend time on the wings moving forward and Caddy rotates through the middle too.

Ruck: Nank is locked in as numero uno. Soldo is next. Hampson is likely third but also won't get a turn as I'd be surprised if Callum Coleman-Jones or Noah Balta didn't at least get a shot before Hammer since they're the future and he's out of contract.

Fwd: Depth here too and lots of it. Shai Bolton will play Round 1 as Daniel Rioli is unlikely to get up or be rushed in. Tyson Stengle is also a small option but down the pecking order. Jack Higgins could play small fwd but is unlikely to do so because we also drafted Liam Baker, another small forward. Noah Balta is training as a forward as looked great in JLT as a glimpse into the future. Callum Coleman-Jones is a ruck/fwd type and should be good in time. Callum Moore has been on the list and is the most likely to get a run should we opt for two talls. Nathan Drummond seems to be a forward option these days but could probably play on a wing or down back also should that need arise. Ben Miller is another option, but he's right at the back of the pack and might be called upon as a ruck or defender if ever needed.

And that my friends is your comprehensive breakdown or Richmond's 22 and depth for 2018 from a bona fide Tiges fan. Take it as you will. O0

[TomK]

Yes Doodee is logical replacement for Lever, but he is not yet best 22.
Hampton was being discussed as playing across half back, Half forward and mids last year. Hes def around the mark, but not convinced he is a best 22 just yet.

Agree with Gibson and Mackay, but feel we brought Gibson in for a reason. Tough to know his role as its only preseason

I thought it was an abdominal strain, but he is best 22 and willcome straight in when fit no matter what.

I think they are a hybrid of best 22 and R1 teams. We have been discussing best 22 and fringe players likely to benefit from injuries or shaky JS

Who plays if not for Doedee then? Cheney? Otten? Both were dropped for JLT 2 so clearly behind Doedee. Keath? Would make us too slow and we saw what happened with that in the GF. Doedee is a lock.

Could be an abdominal strain actually, my bad on that one, but yes, of course he comes in when fit.

Gotcha, my overall best 22 would include Smith, and Knight in for Seedsman, and Murphy.

[LordSneeze]

Good work mate, when a mod has time it might be worth moving our discussions from the JLT Player Discussion into this thread.

[Jukes]

Here's what I think of ours

FB: Gleeson Hartley McKenna
HB: McGrath Hurley Saad
C: Zaharakis Smith Parish
HF: Stringer Daniher Stewart
FF: Fantasia* Hooker McDonald-Tipungwuti
R: Bellchambers Heppell Merrett
Int: Goddard (B/M) Myers (M) Langford (M/F) Ambrose (B)

Emg: Begley (F) Laverde (M/F) Baguley (B), McKernan (R/F)
Immediate Depth: Colyer (M/F), Green (F), Guelfi (B/M), Dea (B), McNiece (B), Leuenberger (R)

*Fantasia will miss round one

[LF]

Good work mate, when a mod has time it might be worth moving our discussions from the JLT Player Discussion into this thread.

Would take a fair bit of time,you have to split the posts from the other thread,most of them individually by the look of it and then merge them into this thread.
Would be quicker to just copy and paste them here

[Nige]

This one comes with a shoutout to GoLions.

B: Darcy Gardiner, Harris Andrews, Alex Witherden
HB: Daniel Rich, Dan McStay, Luke Hodge
M: Hugh McCluggage, Dayne Zorko, Mitch Robinson
HF: Charlie Cameron, Josh Walker, Rhys Mathieson
F: Allen Christensen, Eric Hipwood, Lewy Taylor
R: Stefan Martin, Dayne Beams, Jarrod Berry
I/C: Ryan Lester, Nick Robertson, Sam Mayes, Ryan Bastinac

Shock and awe that I don't have Rayner I know, but I'll get to that!

Def: Gardiner and Robertson are probably the two most contentious spots in this side, so Tom Cutler presents as a candidate not featured and the latest suggests Jack Payne could push for an early season debut. Claye Beams, Liam Dawson, Mitch Hinge and Marco Paparone are all general defenders that could be called upon but are depth for now. Matt Eagles could push for a KPD spot while Jack Frost and Sam Skinner are behind him.

Mid: Jacob Allison is a guy that's probably unlucky to miss, as are Cedric Cox and Ben Keays. Corey Lyons and Brandon Starcevich will press the claims in the NEAFL, with the former more likely to get a game. Lions fans won't want Tom Bell and Rohan Bewick anywhere other than the NEAFL.

Ruck: Stef has had to contend with Archie Smith in the past, but Oscar McInerney has to be the main threat in 2018. Personally, I wouldn't be surprised to see Oscar take over before the year is out, or at least play in tandem with Stef at some point putting Archie as the firm third in line.

Fwd: Cam Rayner is probably replacing Nick Robertson in the side I named, but he'll play mainly forward with a stint or two in the middle in his maiden season. Zac Bailey, Jake Barrett and Toby Wooller make up the general forward department, with Bailey able to play through the middle. Barrett can do the same too, but Brisbane seem to like to use him as a forward. Connor Ballenden is a promising tall who should eventually take Josh Walker's place, although Walker is only 25 but you'd be forgiven for thinking otherwise.

[LordSneeze]

Good work mate, when a mod has time it might be worth moving our discussions from the JLT Player Discussion into this thread.

Would take a fair bit of time,you have to split the posts from the other thread,most of them individually by the look of it and then merge them into this thread.
Would be quicker to just copy and paste them here

Okay thanks. Ill try to find time to do that.