Best 22s Discussion Thread

[Nige]

Similar posts for the other 17 teams on their way btw.

[Bully]

Nothing to add, Nige has nailed it.

[elephants]

Not bad Nigel, especially since you've only supported the Tigers for 4 months

[Koop]

Not bad Nigel, especially since you've only supported the Tigers for 4 months

[Koop]

also would love to see non-Port supporters opinions on a 22 at some point. I think 20-21 of the spots are fairly straightforward but interested to hear others thoughts.

[LordSneeze]

With teams now starting to finish off their competitive preseason matches, it’s a good time to start looking at the possibilities for each team.

Richmond First, North Later - They have a very settled lineup with limited opportunities for rookies to break into the side. There are really only a couple of positions that are not nailed down.

How I see it
Back â€" Alex Rance | Dylan Grimes | OPEN POSITION
Half Back â€" Bacher Houli | Nick Vlaustin | Brandon Ellis
C â€" Kamdyn Mcintosh | Trent Cotchin | Dustin Martin
HF â€" Kane Lambert | Josh Caddy | Shai Bolton
F â€" Jack Riewoldt | Dan Butler | Jacob Castagna
FOL â€" Toby Nankervis | Shaun Grigg | Dion Prestia (INJURY)
I/C â€" David Astbury | Shane Edwards | Jacob Townsend | Daniel Rioli (INJURY)

Prestia has a hamstring injury and is unlikely to lineup round 1, but should be back early in the season. This will likely open up a few opportunities for Caddy to have extra midfield minutes in the early season, but not long term.

Houli has calf soreness, but expected to be back

Rioli has a broken foot so there is one spot in the FWD line. Bolton looks to have locked in this position.

So there are 3 spots open in the lineup for round 1. Defence is being fought out between Broad, Conca, Short & C Ellis. At this stage I would think Conca or Short are the most likely. In any case all 4 have shaky JS.

I believe Jack Graham & Sam Lloyd are in the best positions to take the other positions.  With Fringe options for those that miss out on the def spot and players like Miles & Menadue.

There is going to be limited opportunities for Rookies at Richmond this year and if any do come in they will have shaky JS given the depth of the Richmond List.

I'd admire the attempt, but let's do this properly shall we?

B: Dylan Grimes, David Astbury, Reece Conca
HB: Bachar Houli, Alex Rance, Nick Vlastuin
C: Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Shaun Grigg,
R: Toby Nankervis, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin
HF: Josh Caddy, Jacob Townsend, Daniel Rioli
F: Dan Butler, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
I/C: Kane Lambert, Brandon Ellis, Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham

That's our best 22.

Def: Broad is suspended for the first three games and is no guarantee to come back in assuming Conca plays well enough to hold his spot, which based off preseason is likely. Flavour of the month Corey Ellis is fringe and probably needs someone to have a bad run of form or injury to get a look in. Jayden Short had a decent preseason too but he's behind Broad and Ellis. Garthwaite is the most likely and arguably only ready tall to come in (Broad's more a medium defender that can play tall or small) but that won't happen unless Rance, Grimes or Astbury go down. Mabior Chol could do it too, but that's incredibly unlikely. Derek Smith is a gun and will be the next Bachar Houli but that's two years off at least I'd say.

Mid: Depth is here, partially because all the guys on the interchange can play through the mids and then you have Miles, Lloyd (can also be a fwd), Higgins (not likely to feature until mid season at the earliest) are some names. Then you have guys like Menadue for a wing. Don't expect Naish at all, not this year anyway. Also Butler and Rioli will spend time on the wings moving forward and Caddy rotates through the middle too.

Ruck: Nank is locked in as numero uno. Soldo is next. Hampson is likely third but also won't get a turn as I'd be surprised if Callum Coleman-Jones or Noah Balta didn't at least get a shot before Hammer since they're the future and he's out of contract.

Fwd: Depth here too and lots of it. Shai Bolton will play Round 1 as Daniel Rioli is unlikely to get up or be rushed in. Tyson Stengle is also a small option but down the pecking order. Jack Higgins could play small fwd but is unlikely to do so because we also drafted Liam Baker, another small forward. Noah Balta is training as a forward as looked great in JLT as a glimpse into the future. Callum Coleman-Jones is a ruck/fwd type and should be good in time. Callum Moore has been on the list and is the most likely to get a run should we opt for two talls. Nathan Drummond seems to be a forward option these days but could probably play on a wing or down back also should that need arise. Ben Miller is another option, but he's right at the back of the pack and might be called upon as a ruck or defender if ever needed.

And that my friends is your comprehensive breakdown or Richmond's 22 and depth for 2018 from a bona fide Tiges fan. Take it as you will. O0

Thanks for the detailed writeup on the players Nige, I don't follow the Tiges at all, so only know the basic info on most of them.

Good to know that my best 22 was on the mark though as it confirms my thinking on the Tiges players I was looking into. You included Conca and Graham into the 2 Fringe spots where I still see them as up in the air.

[Spite]

Not bad Nigel, especially since you've only supported the Tigers for 4 months

Bahahaha

[GoLions]

Not bad Nigel, especially since you've only supported the Tigers for 4 months

[Nige]

I dedicate this one to my boy TommyK and our resident best 22 expert LS.

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Richard Douglas, Taylor Walker, Tom Lynch
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
R: Sam Jacobs, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood, Curtly Hampton, Brad Crouch

Few injured players at the moment but they all should be good for Round 1 except for Brodie Smith who's gone for the season (most likely) with an ACL and Riley Knight who has an ankle injury too. Crows fans won't wanna see the great man David Mackay in the 22, but he'll hold his place for Round 1 at least.

Def: Keath, Cheney and Otten provide tall depth while Andrew McPherson is a young gun who'll find his way in eventually. As mentioned before, Brodie Smith is the other defender on the list but he's done his ACL.

Mid: Plenty of depth here with Gallucci, Poholke, CEY around the mark and then the old head of recent acquisition Sam Gibson. Jackson Edwards, Matt Signorello and Patrick Wilson provide depth too but are further down the pecking order.

Rucks: Sauce is safe as houses and Reilly O'Brien waits in the wings, while Paul Hunter is the third and final option that nobody has to worry about.

Fwd: Wayne Milera is close to the 22, while Riley Knight is injured. This is the year that we're likely to see some of Harry Dear at some point I'd say and Lachlan Murphy has put his hand up for a debut sooner rather than later. Darcy Fogarty is a gun who'll get his time soon while Elliott Himmelberg is the other tall on the list and Ben Davis and Ben Jarman are general forwards who make up depth for now.

[Nige]

Nothing to add, Nige has nailed it.

Haha thank God someone agrees.

Not bad Nigel, especially since you've only supported the Tigers for 4 months

Cheers ladies, really enjoyable time to be a Tiges fan. :))

[frenzy]

Not a bad effort, Norf should be pretty easy because after the 20th player there's not much left but fringe. But you have got some way outta position, like Cunnington is no wingman, wings can run. The Rat is never gonna be a CHF and Jmac is no CHB. Wood needs to start onfield, cos he's the closest thing we have to an 'A' Grader and even he's miles off it atm.

People take too much credence into where people are named.

Im not putting every player in the exact position on field, just a general indication of where they would be def, mid, fwd. Im not an expert on every player or team so trying the get everyone in exact position would be foolish.

These are all about looking at best 22 and available positions for people to break into on a supercoach level.

Ah okay best 22. That would make Preuss on the field and not fringe then. He'd be a walk up start at most teams in the comp.

[TomK]

I dedicate this one to my boy TommyK and our resident best 22 expert LS.

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Richard Douglas, Taylor Walker, Tom Lynch
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
R: Sam Jacobs, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood, Curtly Hampton, Brad Crouch

Few injured players at the moment but they all should be good for Round 1 except for Brodie Smith who's gone for the season (most likely) with an ACL and Riley Knight who has an ankle injury too. Crows fans won't wanna see the great man David Mackay in the 22, but he'll hold his place for Round 1 at least.

Def: Keath, Cheney and Otten provide tall depth while Andrew McPherson is a young gun who'll find his way in eventually. As mentioned before, Brodie Smith is the other defender on the list but he's done his ACL.

Mid: Plenty of depth here with Gallucci, Poholke, CEY around the mark and then the old head of recent acquisition Sam Gibson. Jackson Edwards, Matt Signorello and Patrick Wilson provide depth too but are further down the pecking order.

Rucks: Sauce is safe as houses and Reilly O'Brien waits in the wings, while Paul Hunter is the third and final option that nobody has to worry about.

Fwd: Wayne Milera is close to the 22, while Riley Knight is injured. This is the year that we're likely to see some of Harry Dear at some point I'd say and Lachlan Murphy has put his hand up for a debut sooner rather than later. Darcy Fogarty is a gun who'll get his time soon while Elliott Himmelberg is the other tall on the list and Ben Davis and Ben Jarman are general forwards who make up depth for now.

Murphy in for Mackay and you've nearly written it for me, thanks Nige :-*

[LordSneeze]

I dedicate this one to my boy TommyK and our resident best 22 expert LS.

B: Luke Brown, Daniel Talia, Tom Doedee
HB: Rory Laird, Kyle Hartigan, Jake Kelly
C: Paul Seedsman, Rory Sloane, Rory Atkins
HF: Richard Douglas, Taylor Walker, Tom Lynch
F: Eddie Betts, Josh Jenkins, Mitch McGovern
R: Sam Jacobs, Matt Crouch, Bryce Gibbs
I/C: David Mackay, Hugh Greenwood, Curtly Hampton, Brad Crouch

Few injured players at the moment but they all should be good for Round 1 except for Brodie Smith who's gone for the season (most likely) with an ACL and Riley Knight who has an ankle injury too. Crows fans won't wanna see the great man David Mackay in the 22, but he'll hold his place for Round 1 at least.

Def: Keath, Cheney and Otten provide tall depth while Andrew McPherson is a young gun who'll find his way in eventually. As mentioned before, Brodie Smith is the other defender on the list but he's done his ACL.

Mid: Plenty of depth here with Gallucci, Poholke, CEY around the mark and then the old head of recent acquisition Sam Gibson. Jackson Edwards, Matt Signorello and Patrick Wilson provide depth too but are further down the pecking order.

Rucks: Sauce is safe as houses and Reilly O'Brien waits in the wings, while Paul Hunter is the third and final option that nobody has to worry about.

Fwd: Wayne Milera is close to the 22, while Riley Knight is injured. This is the year that we're likely to see some of Harry Dear at some point I'd say and Lachlan Murphy has put his hand up for a debut sooner rather than later. Darcy Fogarty is a gun who'll get his time soon while Elliott Himmelberg is the other tall on the list and Ben Davis and Ben Jarman are general forwards who make up depth for now.

Murphy in for Mackay and you've nearly written it for me, thanks Nige :-*

Id argue Doodee & Hampton aren't best 22. Gibson might come in for Mackay. Douglas not really half forward
B Crouch got injured at traning last week. Not sure on timeframe yet.
Knight is best 22 before he got injured.

[LordSneeze]

I love this type of discussion, so much more in learnt like this than just saying he scores well so pick him.

[Spite]

I'd say CEY is in line to play round 1 at this stage since BCrouch injury.

Great discussion guys, super helpful and insightful, reckon we need a thread just based on best 22s and discussions!