Best 22s Discussion Thread

[LordSneeze]

We need a write up on every team. This is flowering brilliant, and both Richmond's and North's have been absolutely bang on imo.

While I'm on North: Marley Williams- sneaky POD? Possible reward may not be worth the risk.

Thanks, Ill be doing one for each team over doing the individual players profiles, that way I could get more done. Just been running out of time to do them.

What worries me with Williams is he doesn't get enough of the off the ball or penetration stats to pad a poor game, so while he gets good points when he is getting 20+ possessions, the sub 20 possession games could easily see 40 point games thrown in.

[frenzy]

Norths turn. For a low end of the table team, they have quite a few players that I feel are fairly well locked into their side.

How I see it
Back â€" Robbie Tarrant | Scott D Thompson | Ryan Clarke
Half Back â€" Marley Williams | Jamie Macmillian | Luke Mcdonald
C â€" Ben Cunnington | Jack Ziebell | Billy Hartung
HF â€" Shaun Atley | Nathan Hrovat | Kayne Turner
F â€" Jarrod Waite | Ben Brown | Taylor Garner
FOL â€" Todd Goldstein | Shaun Higgins | Trent Dumont
I/C â€" Ben Jacobs | Mason Wood | OPEN POSITION | OPEN POSITION

Fringe - Ed Vickers-Willis, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Mitchell Hibberd, Majak Daw, Sam Durdin, Braydon Preuss, Jed Anderson, Jy Simpkin, Cameron Zuhaar, Ben Mckay

Prior to looking at the North lineup I was thinking that there was quite a few positons that would be up for grabs, that doesn’t appear to be the case. Wood, Garner, Simpkin all returned from injuries in JLT 2, id say Wood and Garner are best 22 while Simpkin in Fringe. 

North is in a fairly good position injury wise with Sam Wright, Declan Mountford & jed Anderson the only real injury concerns, yet none of those are best 22, but are rather fringe/depth options

I believe that EVW has shown enough to get one of the 2 open spots ahead of Mitchell Hibberd, while LDU is likely to be in position for the other. You could also see people like Clarke, Garner, Jacobs or Wood miss out depending on the matchups and the desire to play an extra Tall.
Preuss would currently be ahead of Daw for that position given his effectiveness in the ruck, note though that Ben Brown & Scott Thompson were pinch-hitting in the ruck when in Fwd & Defence. So I feel that option is being explored instead of 2 talls.

For Zuhaar, Mckay, Hibberd, Murphy it is likely they will need some injuries to be able to break into the side, R1 might be too early.

So LDU is the only rookie priced I would expect a R1 debut, I would be expecting something between a 50-65 average, with solid, but not rock solid JS. For a mid only at 189k the potential for Cash Generation he isn’t all that great for his scoring potential, might make anywhere from 100-180k if he gets a sustained run, but Im not 100% confident of that. This is one that for me is a option only if other rookies don’t look likely.

The one draft pick inside the top 20 rebuild is complete.   :)

[Money Shot]

Norths turn. For a low end of the table team, they have quite a few players that I feel are fairly well locked into their side.

How I see it
Back â€" Robbie Tarrant | Scott D Thompson | Ryan Clarke
Half Back â€" Marley Williams | Jamie Macmillian | Luke Mcdonald
C â€" Ben Cunnington | Jack Ziebell | Billy Hartung
HF â€" Shaun Atley | Nathan Hrovat | Kayne Turner
F â€" Jarrod Waite | Ben Brown | Taylor Garner
FOL â€" Todd Goldstein | Shaun Higgins | Trent Dumont
I/C â€" Ben Jacobs | Mason Wood | OPEN POSITION | OPEN POSITION

Fringe - Ed Vickers-Willis, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Mitchell Hibberd, Majak Daw, Sam Durdin, Braydon Preuss, Jed Anderson, Jy Simpkin, Cameron Zuhaar, Ben Mckay

Prior to looking at the North lineup I was thinking that there was quite a few positons that would be up for grabs, that doesn’t appear to be the case. Wood, Garner, Simpkin all returned from injuries in JLT 2, id say Wood and Garner are best 22 while Simpkin in Fringe. 

North is in a fairly good position injury wise with Sam Wright, Declan Mountford & jed Anderson the only real injury concerns, yet none of those are best 22, but are rather fringe/depth options

I believe that EVW has shown enough to get one of the 2 open spots ahead of Mitchell Hibberd, while LDU is likely to be in position for the other. You could also see people like Clarke, Garner, Jacobs or Wood miss out depending on the matchups and the desire to play an extra Tall.
Preuss would currently be ahead of Daw for that position given his effectiveness in the ruck, note though that Ben Brown & Scott Thompson were pinch-hitting in the ruck when in Fwd & Defence. So I feel that option is being explored instead of 2 talls.

For Zuhaar, Mckay, Hibberd, Murphy it is likely they will need some injuries to be able to break into the side, R1 might be too early.

So LDU is the only rookie priced I would expect a R1 debut, I would be expecting something between a 50-65 average, with solid, but not rock solid JS. For a mid only at 189k the potential for Cash Generation he isn’t all that great for his scoring potential, might make anywhere from 100-180k if he gets a sustained run, but Im not 100% confident of that. This is one that for me is a option only if other rookies don’t look likely.

The one draft pick inside the top 20 rebuild is complete.   :)

Wright and Sympkin would be my two picks too take the bench spots. Not sure if they are injured or not though, obviously they will be wanting to get games into LDU as well.

[Money Shot]

With teams now starting to finish off their competitive preseason matches, it’s a good time to start looking at the possibilities for each team.

Richmond First, North Later - They have a very settled lineup with limited opportunities for rookies to break into the side. There are really only a couple of positions that are not nailed down.

How I see it
Back â€" Alex Rance | Dylan Grimes | David Astbury
Half Back â€" Bacher Houli | Nick Vlaustin | Brandon Ellis
C â€" Kamdyn Mcintosh | Trent Cotchin | Dustin Martin
HF â€" Kane Lambert | Josh Caddy | Daniel Rioli (INJURY)
F â€" Jack Riewoldt | Dan Butler | Jacob Castagna
FOL â€" Toby Nankervis | Shaun Grigg | Dion Prestia (INJURY)
I/C â€" Shane Edwards | Jacob Townsend | Jacob Graham | Corey Ellis

Prestia has a hamstring injury and is unlikely to lineup round 1, but should be back early in the season. This will likely open up a few opportunities for Caddy to have extra midfield minutes in the early season, but not long term.

Houli has calf soreness, but expected to be back

Rioli has a broken foot so there is one spot in the FWD line. Bolton looks to have locked in this position.

So there are 3 spots open in the lineup for round 1. Defence is being fought out between Broad, Conca, Short & C Ellis. At this stage I would think Conca or Short are the most likely. In any case all 4 have shaky JS.

I believe Jack Graham & Sam Lloyd are in the best positions to take the other positions.  With Fringe options for those that miss out on the def spot and players like Miles & Menadue.

There is going to be limited opportunities for Rookies at Richmond this year and if any do come in they will have shaky JS given the depth of the Richmond List.

Although I think Ellis has the best scoring ability out of the sub 250k defenders by a long way looking at that he is by no means a lock in the best 22 when the side is fully fit.

Bolton is not best 22 in my opinion when Rioli is fit so I see a potential straight swap happening there.

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

Add Graham to the best 22 after his impressive finals campaign.

I think Correy Ellis could squeeze into that last best 22 when fit but gee I am not confident.

Maybe Coffield averaging 60-65 would have better JS.

[dylanclements]

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

I reckon Astbury is really safe - his spot isn't up for grabs at all for mine.

[RaisyDaisy]

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

I reckon Astbury is really safe - his spot isn't up for grabs at all for mine.

Unfortunately it's a moot point, because he's completely irrelevant for SC

[shaker]

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

I reckon Astbury is really safe - his spot isn't up for grabs at all for mine.

Unfortunately it's a moot point, because he's completely irrelevant for SC

Think I would rather spend 28K more and get Vlastuin

[LordSneeze]

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

I reckon Astbury is really safe - his spot isn't up for grabs at all for mine.

Putting him on the bench didnt mean he was not safe, just i felt that he was better suited to that as i saw him as a HB not B.

[Gavdroid]

With teams now starting to finish off their competitive preseason matches, it’s a good time to start looking at the possibilities for each team.

Richmond First, North Later - They have a very settled lineup with limited opportunities for rookies to break into the side. There are really only a couple of positions that are not nailed down.

How I see it
Back â€" Alex Rance | Dylan Grimes | David Astbury
Half Back â€" Bacher Houli | Nick Vlaustin | Brandon Ellis
C â€" Kamdyn Mcintosh | Trent Cotchin | Dustin Martin
HF â€" Kane Lambert | Josh Caddy | Daniel Rioli (INJURY)
F â€" Jack Riewoldt | Dan Butler | Jacob Castagna
FOL â€" Toby Nankervis | Shaun Grigg | Dion Prestia (INJURY)
I/C â€" Shane Edwards | Jacob Townsend | Jacob Graham | Corey Ellis

Prestia has a hamstring injury and is unlikely to lineup round 1, but should be back early in the season. This will likely open up a few opportunities for Caddy to have extra midfield minutes in the early season, but not long term.

Houli has calf soreness, but expected to be back

Rioli has a broken foot so there is one spot in the FWD line. Bolton looks to have locked in this position.

So there are 3 spots open in the lineup for round 1. Defence is being fought out between Broad, Conca, Short & C Ellis. At this stage I would think Conca or Short are the most likely. In any case all 4 have shaky JS.

I believe Jack Graham & Sam Lloyd are in the best positions to take the other positions.  With Fringe options for those that miss out on the def spot and players like Miles & Menadue.

There is going to be limited opportunities for Rookies at Richmond this year and if any do come in they will have shaky JS given the depth of the Richmond List.

Although I think Ellis has the best scoring ability out of the sub 250k defenders by a long way looking at that he is by no means a lock in the best 22 when the side is fully fit.

Bolton is not best 22 in my opinion when Rioli is fit so I see a potential straight swap happening there.

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

Add Graham to the best 22 after his impressive finals campaign.

I think Correy Ellis could squeeze into that last best 22 when fit but gee I am not confident.

Maybe Coffield averaging 60-65 would have better JS.

The only benefit with someone like C Ellis at his price is if he does come in and play well and holds his spot, great. If he gets 1 or two games and stinks and gets dropped he's an easy downgrade to the best rookie defender you missed and you'll have 50-100k left over. Easier to downgrade him to a Coffield/Naughton if they start well than to go up to one of those from a cheaper defender

[ubeaut]

With teams now starting to finish off their competitive preseason matches, it’s a good time to start looking at the possibilities for each team.

Richmond First, North Later - They have a very settled lineup with limited opportunities for rookies to break into the side. There are really only a couple of positions that are not nailed down.

How I see it
Back â€" Alex Rance | Dylan Grimes | David Astbury
Half Back â€" Bacher Houli | Nick Vlaustin | Brandon Ellis
C â€" Kamdyn Mcintosh | Trent Cotchin | Dustin Martin
HF â€" Kane Lambert | Josh Caddy | Daniel Rioli (INJURY)
F â€" Jack Riewoldt | Dan Butler | Jacob Castagna
FOL â€" Toby Nankervis | Shaun Grigg | Dion Prestia (INJURY)
I/C â€" Shane Edwards | Jacob Townsend | Jacob Graham | Corey Ellis

Prestia has a hamstring injury and is unlikely to lineup round 1, but should be back early in the season. This will likely open up a few opportunities for Caddy to have extra midfield minutes in the early season, but not long term.

Houli has calf soreness, but expected to be back

Rioli has a broken foot so there is one spot in the FWD line. Bolton looks to have locked in this position.

So there are 3 spots open in the lineup for round 1. Defence is being fought out between Broad, Conca, Short & C Ellis. At this stage I would think Conca or Short are the most likely. In any case all 4 have shaky JS.

I believe Jack Graham & Sam Lloyd are in the best positions to take the other positions.  With Fringe options for those that miss out on the def spot and players like Miles & Menadue.

There is going to be limited opportunities for Rookies at Richmond this year and if any do come in they will have shaky JS given the depth of the Richmond List.

Although I think Ellis has the best scoring ability out of the sub 250k defenders by a long way looking at that he is by no means a lock in the best 22 when the side is fully fit.

Bolton is not best 22 in my opinion when Rioli is fit so I see a potential straight swap happening there.

Astbury should be in the best 18 very underated defender.

Add Graham to the best 22 after his impressive finals campaign.

I think Correy Ellis could squeeze into that last best 22 when fit but gee I am not confident.

Maybe Coffield averaging 60-65 would have better JS.

The only benefit with someone like C Ellis at his price is if he does come in and play well and holds his spot, great. If he gets 1 or two games and stinks and gets dropped he's an easy downgrade to the best rookie defender you missed and you'll have 50-100k left over. Easier to downgrade him to a Coffield/Naughton if they start well than to go up to one of those from a cheaper defender

That will work unless u already have all the available rookies and there's no-one to downgrade him to if dropped.

[frenzy]

Norths turn. For a low end of the table team, they have quite a few players that I feel are fairly well locked into their side.

How I see it
Back â€" Robbie Tarrant | Scott D Thompson | Ryan Clarke
Half Back â€" Marley Williams | Jamie Macmillian | Luke Mcdonald
C â€" Ben Cunnington | Jack Ziebell | Billy Hartung
HF â€" Shaun Atley | Nathan Hrovat | Kayne Turner
F â€" Jarrod Waite | Ben Brown | Taylor Garner
FOL â€" Todd Goldstein | Shaun Higgins | Trent Dumont
I/C â€" Ben Jacobs | Mason Wood | OPEN POSITION | OPEN POSITION

Fringe - Ed Vickers-Willis, Luke Davies-Uniacke, Mitchell Hibberd, Majak Daw, Sam Durdin, Braydon Preuss, Jed Anderson, Jy Simpkin, Cameron Zuhaar, Ben Mckay

Prior to looking at the North lineup I was thinking that there was quite a few positons that would be up for grabs, that doesn’t appear to be the case. Wood, Garner, Simpkin all returned from injuries in JLT 2, id say Wood and Garner are best 22 while Simpkin in Fringe. 

Not a bad effort, Norf should be pretty easy because after the 20th player there's not much left but fringe. But you have got some way outta position, like Cunnington is no wingman, wings can run. The Rat is never gonna be a CHF and Jmac is no CHB. Wood needs to start onfield, cos he's the closest thing we have to an 'A' Grader and even he's miles off it atm.

[LordSneeze]

Not a bad effort, Norf should be pretty easy because after the 20th player there's not much left but fringe. But you have got some way outta position, like Cunnington is no wingman, wings can run. The Rat is never gonna be a CHF and Jmac is no CHB. Wood needs to start onfield, cos he's the closest thing we have to an 'A' Grader and even he's miles off it atm.

People take too much credence into where people are named.

Im not putting every player in the exact position on field, just a general indication of where they would be def, mid, fwd. Im not an expert on every player or team so trying the get everyone in exact position would be foolish.

These are all about looking at best 22 and available positions for people to break into on a supercoach level.

[LordSneeze]

Sainters

How I see it
Back â€" Nathan Brown | Jake Carlise | Jimmy Webster
Half Back â€" Dylan Roberton | Shane Savage | Jarryn Geary
C â€" Seb Ross | Luke Dunstan | David Armitage
HF â€" Jack Billings | Jack Sinclair | Blake Acres
F â€" Tim Membrey | Josh Bruce| Paddy Mccartin
FOL â€" Tom Hickey | Jack Steven | Jack Steele
I/C â€" Sam Gilbert | Jack Newnes | Koby Stevens | Jade Gresham

Fringe â€" Nick Coffield, Billy Longer, Hunter Clark, Jack Lonie, Mav Weller, Rowan Marshall, Nathan Wright, Ben Long

The Saints backline is fairly well set, however depth is fairly light on opening up opportunities for Coffield given his versatility and ability to play both Mid and Def.

The depth of the Saints side comes in the Mid & Fwd halfs. With Armitage coming back in this year the pressure will be on him and the likes of Stevens, Sinclair, Dunstan, Acres to continually perform. Having the options of Billings, Sinclair, Acres etc in the fwd line who can all rotate through the mids while Lonie, Weller, Gresham are all around the mark.

So while there aren’t really direct spots locked into the side for rookies, players like Coffield and Hunter have shown enough skill and versatility to be right in the fringe group. They will need to perform to hold their spots. Personally I feel Coffield will get the spot to start the season given the lesser defensive depth and probably has strong JS than Clark

[Hoggyz_a_legend]

Sainters

How I see it
Back â€" Nathan Brown | Jake Carlise | Jimmy Webster
Half Back â€" Dylan Roberton | Shane Savage | Jarryn Geary
C â€" Seb Ross | Luke Dunstan | David Armitage
HF â€" Jack Billings | Jack Sinclair | Blake Acres
F â€" Tim Membrey | Josh Bruce| Paddy Mccartin
FOL â€" Tom Hickey | Jack Steven | Jack Steele
I/C â€" Sam Gilbert | Jack Newnes | Koby Stevens | Jade Gresham

Fringe â€" Nick Coffield, Billy Longer, Hunter Clark, Jack Lonie, Mav Weller, Rowan Marshall, Nathan Wright, Ben Long

The Saints backline is fairly well set, however depth is fairly light on opening up opportunities for Coffield given his versatility and ability to play both Mid and Def.

The depth of the Saints side comes in the Mid & Fwd halfs. With Armitage coming back in this year the pressure will be on him and the likes of Stevens, Sinclair, Dunstan, Acres to continually perform. Having the options of Billings, Sinclair, Acres etc in the fwd line who can all rotate through the mids while Lonie, Weller, Gresham are all around the mark.

So while there aren’t really direct spots locked into the side for rookies, players like Coffield and Hunter have shown enough skill and versatility to be right in the fringe group. They will need to perform to hold their spots. Personally I feel Coffield will get the spot to start the season given the lesser defensive depth and probably has strong JS than Clark

Bang on again LS. Coming from a Saints fan- Longer is definitely No.1 ruck, and after last night, I'd put Marshall ahead of Hickey as well. I reckon Marshall could be the surprise packet for us this year.

Coffield will play Rnd 1. Clark I just don't see a spot for yet. MAYBE for Stevens. The rest of the fringe it's hard to forecast opportunities with a very settled best 22.

[Nige]

With teams now starting to finish off their competitive preseason matches, it’s a good time to start looking at the possibilities for each team.

Richmond First, North Later - They have a very settled lineup with limited opportunities for rookies to break into the side. There are really only a couple of positions that are not nailed down.

How I see it
Back â€" Alex Rance | Dylan Grimes | OPEN POSITION
Half Back â€" Bacher Houli | Nick Vlaustin | Brandon Ellis
C â€" Kamdyn Mcintosh | Trent Cotchin | Dustin Martin
HF â€" Kane Lambert | Josh Caddy | Shai Bolton
F â€" Jack Riewoldt | Dan Butler | Jacob Castagna
FOL â€" Toby Nankervis | Shaun Grigg | Dion Prestia (INJURY)
I/C â€" David Astbury | Shane Edwards | Jacob Townsend | Daniel Rioli (INJURY)

Prestia has a hamstring injury and is unlikely to lineup round 1, but should be back early in the season. This will likely open up a few opportunities for Caddy to have extra midfield minutes in the early season, but not long term.

Houli has calf soreness, but expected to be back

Rioli has a broken foot so there is one spot in the FWD line. Bolton looks to have locked in this position.

So there are 3 spots open in the lineup for round 1. Defence is being fought out between Broad, Conca, Short & C Ellis. At this stage I would think Conca or Short are the most likely. In any case all 4 have shaky JS.

I believe Jack Graham & Sam Lloyd are in the best positions to take the other positions.  With Fringe options for those that miss out on the def spot and players like Miles & Menadue.

There is going to be limited opportunities for Rookies at Richmond this year and if any do come in they will have shaky JS given the depth of the Richmond List.

I'd admire the attempt, but let's do this properly shall we?

B: Dylan Grimes, David Astbury, Reece Conca
HB: Bachar Houli, Alex Rance, Nick Vlastuin
C: Shane Edwards, Dion Prestia, Shaun Grigg,
R: Toby Nankervis, Trent Cotchin, Dustin Martin
HF: Josh Caddy, Jacob Townsend, Daniel Rioli
F: Dan Butler, Jack Riewoldt, Jason Castagna
I/C: Kane Lambert, Brandon Ellis, Kamdyn McIntosh, Jack Graham

That's our best 22.

Def: Broad is suspended for the first three games and is no guarantee to come back in assuming Conca plays well enough to hold his spot, which based off preseason is likely. Flavour of the month Corey Ellis is fringe and probably needs someone to have a bad run of form or injury to get a look in. Jayden Short had a decent preseason too but he's behind Broad and Ellis. Garthwaite is the most likely and arguably only ready tall to come in (Broad's more a medium defender that can play tall or small) but that won't happen unless Rance, Grimes or Astbury go down. Mabior Chol could do it too, but that's incredibly unlikely. Derek Smith is a gun and will be the next Bachar Houli but that's two years off at least I'd say.

Mid: Depth is here, partially because all the guys on the interchange can play through the mids and then you have Miles, Lloyd (can also be a fwd), Higgins (not likely to feature until mid season at the earliest) are some names. Then you have guys like Menadue for a wing. Don't expect Naish at all, not this year anyway. Also Butler and Rioli will spend time on the wings moving forward and Caddy rotates through the middle too.

Ruck: Nank is locked in as numero uno. Soldo is next. Hampson is likely third but also won't get a turn as I'd be surprised if Callum Coleman-Jones or Noah Balta didn't at least get a shot before Hammer since they're the future and he's out of contract.

Fwd: Depth here too and lots of it. Shai Bolton will play Round 1 as Daniel Rioli is unlikely to get up or be rushed in. Tyson Stengle is also a small option but down the pecking order. Jack Higgins could play small fwd but is unlikely to do so because we also drafted Liam Baker, another small forward. Noah Balta is training as a forward as looked great in JLT as a glimpse into the future. Callum Coleman-Jones is a ruck/fwd type and should be good in time. Callum Moore has been on the list and is the most likely to get a run should we opt for two talls. Nathan Drummond seems to be a forward option these days but could probably play on a wing or down back also should that need arise. Ben Miller is another option, but he's right at the back of the pack and might be called upon as a ruck or defender if ever needed.

And that my friends is your comprehensive breakdown or Richmond's 22 and depth for 2018 from a bona fide Tiges fan. Take it as you will. O0