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Started by Holz, February 27, 2018, 10:46:49 AM

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ubeaut

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Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.

MC

Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.

I feel like JOM at M7 this year will leave you far too exposed in other areas, especially so this year when rookie options appear so thin. My current team has Coniglio at M6, though he is the player/position that will be sacrificed if I need to stack my defence a bit more, which seems likely.

Bully

Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.

I feel like JOM at M7 this year will leave you far too exposed in other areas, especially so this year when rookie options appear so thin. My current team has Coniglio at M6, though he is the player/position that will be sacrificed if I need to stack my defence a bit more, which seems likely.

I think this will be an important decision for many, Martin/Mitchell & 120k rookie vs Cogs & O'Meara. I've gone the latter and reckon I'll get the points & the cash.

Holz

Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:22:19 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.

I feel like JOM at M7 this year will leave you far too exposed in other areas, especially so this year when rookie options appear so thin. My current team has Coniglio at M6, though he is the player/position that will be sacrificed if I need to stack my defence a bit more, which seems likely.

I currently have JOM at m5 with griffen at m6. So going very weak mids at the moment.

I have the best of the best mids, rucks and defenders though with

Hurley Laird Hibberd Houli
Dmart Danger Titchell Fyfe
Goldy Gawn

bit is still only have 2 premos up front. 

MC

I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.

ubeaut

Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.
Very good point and one I always keep in mind when selecting team.
However who's likely to drop significantly? This year in mids seems a bit different.
Hard to bet against Danger (best player in comp, even with a drop due to more fwd time still top 3 in SC)
Dusty (second best player, can still improve)
Titch ( ball magnet with little competition for points in team)

Hanners is a good player but not in the same league as the above.
Pendles is 30 and has been overtaken by younger players.

If I were to pick anyone likely to drop it would be Crouch with Gibbs coming in,
Kelly who also has alot of competition for points or Oliver IF he gets tagged a bit.

And who bounces back or breaks into top 10? Parker? Selwood? Bont? Pendles? Treloar?Macrae? Beams?Rocky?

The hard part is picking who will drop off and who will jump up.

And that still leaves 2 out of 3 of Danger,Dusty,Titch as almost must haves AND Fyfe who is underpriced.
So doesn't leave much room to pick more than 1 maybe 2 cheaper mids and hope u pick the right ones.

Bully

Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.

Sage advice. So many players have just had season outliers. Dusty eclipsed his previous best by 10 points, Hurley clocked a ton for the first time, TMitchell smashed his previous best.

To win this game you have to pick break-outs, I think we're just witnessing generation next so time to pull out the cyrstal ball to some extent.

SilverLion

Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Bully

Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

quinny88

Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

Bully

Quote from: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

Let's hope so, been a slow developer but certainly has some weapons.

quinny88

Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 05:03:14 PM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

Let's hope so, been a slow developer but certainly has some weapons.
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For sure. He's all class but looks like he needs a rocket to get out of 2nd gear. Fingers crossed this is the year]

frenzy

Quote from: quinny88 on February 28, 2018, 03:56:33 PM
Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 03:46:04 PM
Quote from: ubeaut on February 28, 2018, 01:11:32 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 28, 2018, 12:40:34 PM
If he get so through the rest of the preseason unscathed and is playing round 1, then I'd love to have him at M7. Rookie situation will also be a factor though.
Me too. It was my plan from the start to roll with 6 mids plus JOM.However with the lack of obvious rookies fwd and back especially it makes it super hard to fit that mid line up in without leaving 1 or 2 other lines vulnerable to poor rookie scores, even if enough do show up round one. There seems to be plenty of mid rookies so only having 4 instead of 5 or 6 could mean missing out on 1 or 2 higher scorers/money makers and having KP/stuck in deep fwd line rookies instead.
How do you get around this?
JOM is my M6 atm and finding it hard to squeeze another mid in without
A.) Starting Lycett and/or
B.) Having 3 rookies on field in defence. and/or
C.) Going midprice madness fwd and back.
C. Ellis at D4 might be the key

Didn't realise Ellis was so cheap, I think the issue will be job security, be awkward if he gets dropped. I will say this, his game in JLT was the best he's played against AFL listed players. Did all the stuff you'd expect of an inside mid.

Against witches hats though and no Prestia in the side and only 3 quarters from Dusty and Cotch. Keen to see if he can do it again in JLT 2 and if he does he has to come under serious consideration

JLT 2 is against Norf, don't reckon they will offer much resistance. May make the bombers look like top 4 contenders.

Holz

Quote from: Bully on February 28, 2018, 03:17:25 PM
Quote from: MC on February 28, 2018, 01:58:22 PM
I always hesitate with loading up on the super-premium priced players, there has been a lot of analysis (found on other sites) that suggest many of the top-priced players fail to back up their numbers in the following year. Hannebery/Pendlebury are examples from last year who most would have pegged as a 'safe' 110, they obviously disappointed by quite a margin. Those at the upper-echelon have a greater chance of failure in my opinion, especially when SC is essentially a stock/trading game.

Sage advice. So many players have just had season outliers. Dusty eclipsed his previous best by 10 points, Hurley clocked a ton for the first time, TMitchell smashed his previous best.

To win this game you have to pick break-outs, I think we're just witnessing generation next so time to pull out the cyrstal ball to some extent.

Got to disagree, while I have never won i have come pretty close. The times I did i had the best of the best premos and really just played the rookie game great.

The starting team is not that important, jumping early on trades is the important bit. The winner last year started with JOM Swallow Petracca and Roughy.

He jumped on Murphy and WHE round 3 as they where evident they where going to break out. He also jumped on Oliver and Yeo pretty early on.

Having the best of the best guys gives you this flexibility.

Id back in most of the super premo guys i picked up to be good, its why i have chosen guys with repeated premo seasons.

Back to JOM as i said last years winner had JOM and it didnt pan out. You just need to be ready to move. I think Super Premos and Rookies is the way to go. Just throw in a few guys like JOM.

droping a 550k mid to JOM means i can upgrade 2-3 premos to super premos and thats super valuable.



here is the example

Cripps 540k
Loyd 480k
Bont 577k
Mclean/Walters 470k


JOM 315k
Hurley 560k
Ticthell 650k
Buddy 540k

worse case with JOM you just jump on the best rookie you missed or another midpricer you missed. Super premos are hard to bring in and if they start off having a shocker you can always move them on. It just adds flexibility with the best of the best and a few speculative picks in my books. Its much easier to move down then it is up.

Say you have Loyd going 85 87 and Hurley explodes with 115 107 then what do you do?






crowls

This site has too many intelligent people contributing.    Been quiet for a while now and have had goldy and jom in my side for most of this time.     Really hope they remain PODs. 
JOM- major upside,  if he performs without injury restriction be highly unlikely to average less than 100.   He is my Murphy of 2018,  come year end M8/9 loopholing with someone else.   If he is reinjured then trade down to best performing rookie i dont have.


Goldy,  for me it is personal,  over the past 18 months or so I have seen the impact of personal circumstances on work and personal performance.    Goldy seems to have these behind him and is will average 100 plus with potential upside.