James Sicily

[RaisyDaisy]

I agree it's the risk you take.  Historically the template for Guns and Rookies has been solid because in the early rounds you concede that X many trades will be set aside for Rookie corrections and unlucky injuries without being overwhelmed. 

Adding an extra layer of mid-price corrections (and/or taking suspension/injury prone players on top) can cause more holes than 2 trades per week can fill.

The risk vs reward curve becomes a lot steeper with those that nail it go flying and those that fail it start scrambling.

RD, you're a Gun, no1 would dispute that, and unfortunately you got the short end of the stick, picking players on their merits. By consensus they were all solid picks on an individual basis but Murphy's Law kicked you in the teeth.

I don't post here enough to have a rapport, so please take my next comments with a grain of salt (and I don't for a second believe you need this advice).

Rather than curse your bad luck getting worse every week (which it has), tell us what your new goal is (be it top X thousand) so we can back you as the Fallen Premium SC. I'd very much like to read posts (in 2023) about the time RD went from rock bottom in round 6 and came home flying.

Believe me, I'm in good spirits - this is just a game after all. I probably didn't need to, but I was just highlighting the fact that so much carnage could occur in only 5 rounds, and Sicily in which this thread is about isn't helping at all haha

No doubt I made a few poor choices like Bell over Chriso and Arma/Lobb over Conigs/whatever but some of those decisions were somewhat forced as I couldn't go GnR which is my preference simply due to the lack of good enough rookies, but we move on and now I get to trade my way out if this so that's a fun challenge :)

I've always enjoyed your comments around here, so rapport is good and as crazy as it sounds I'll probably be ranked 40k or whatever after this round, but I'm super confident I can still finish Top 1%. It's a long season, and once I've ironed out all the kinks, I'll be right, but I just need a little break from injuries and suspensions eventually haha

Anyway, back on topic I've watched the footage several times and I honestly don't think what Sicily did is worth a week. He barely steps on him, and there is no force at all - in fact he is somewhat stagnate and hesitant as he walks over him, and I think he'd be lucky if just his heel brushed Atley's leg

I'm not saying that as an owner of Sicily at all, I genuinely can't see much in it although I will admit it's just stupid and Sicily needs to pull his head in big time, he just shouldn't even be putting himself in these situations at all

[iZander]

Sorry to go slightly off topic, but have a look at this for 5 rounds

Sicily already out for a week, potentially another now
Started Bell, and traded to Bonner, who has been shower ever since
Started Hibberd, and traded to L.Ryan who last 3/4 and needed to be traded
Started M.Crouch and had to trade
Started GAJ and had to trade
Started J.Kelly who I still have on the bench for past 2 weeks and counting
Started Lobb who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Arma who was shower and missed games so had to trade
Started Venables who is out for 12 and needs to be traded

Sicily, Bell, Bonner, Lobb, Armitage all midpricers, sure injuries are unfortunate but you get what you pay for. GAJ is not even worth complaining about as if anyone thought he would get close to the bye without being injured.

Cut the speculative picks out and you halve your problems :)

Picking mid-pricers isn't the problem, he just chose the wrong ones - Bell over Dunkley and Christensen, Lobb over Hogan, Armitage over JOM.

Sicily was still a good pick, substitute a 60 in his average for missing round 3 and he's averaging 95.8. Substitute another 60 for his impending suspension and he's still averaging 90. I don't see what all the fuss is about to be honest.

Which is the risk you take when picking midpricers, so you can't be annoyed when they eventually fail...


Tell the latter to those complaining, I'm not the one that thinks Sicily was a bad pick and was very close to trading him in last week and was considering him this week. And I will probably still look to trade him in after this suspension.

I agree it's the risk you take.  Historically the template for Guns and Rookies has been solid because in the early rounds you concede that X many trades will be set aside for Rookie corrections and unlucky injuries without being overwhelmed. 

Adding an extra layer of mid-price corrections (and/or taking suspension/injury prone players on top) can cause more holes than 2 trades per week can fill.

The risk vs reward curve becomes a lot steeper with those that nail it go flying and those that fail it start scrambling.

RD, you're a Gun, no1 would dispute that, and unfortunately you got the short end of the stick, picking players on their merits. By consensus they were all solid picks on an individual basis but Murphy's Law kicked you in the teeth.

I don't post here enough to have a rapport, so please take my next comments with a grain of salt (and I don't for a second believe you need this advice).

Rather than curse your bad luck getting worse every week (which it has), tell us what your new goal is (be it top X thousand) so we can back you as the Fallen Premium SC. I'd very much like to read posts (in 2023) about the time RD went from rock bottom in round 6 and came home flying.

Im sorry, ill dispute that, Tom bell was never in any way a good pick, the rest are pretty reasonable although im not sure what you expected from GAJ :P

[RaisyDaisy]

Im sorry, ill dispute that, Tom bell was never in any way a good pick, the rest are pretty reasonable although im not sure what you expected from GAJ :P

Yeah Bell over Christo wasn't my finest hour

As for GAJ, no regrets picking him. I knew he wouldn't play every game, and the plan was to turn him into Danger as soon as he went down or missed, but to be fair I was hoping he would last more than 3 games - if GAJ went down R6 onwards then it's a great pick because he was smashing out the scores as expected

[GoLions]

MCrouch and Kelly were terrible picks tbh

[Marstar]

https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184

The footage

That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.

I dare you to lay down and let someone step on your calf with boots on. Not even saying this as a North fan as I have Sic in my side. Saying this from a footy player who is disgusted that someone would do this.

Agreed. I said this in another thread ... but I'll re-iterate, treading on some1 (or kicking them) while they are on the ground is an act of cowardice.

It's not a part of any game that has rules and penalties for factoring severity and intent. 

Philosophically it falls in the same category at biting, spitting, cheap-shots (e.g. from behind or to the groin), inappropriate sledging ... etc. Pretending to spit on some1 without hitting them would never be compared to a Bump. 

As such, Bump vs Stamp = One is a part of the game and has a set of rules and punishments that we love to dedate be it one-eyed or otherwise, the other is always disrespectful and will never be justified. You should never stamp on some1. There is no debate. 

I am a Hawks supporter and a Sicily owner (and admirer), zero tolerance, straight to the tribunal, 1 week minimum regardless of grades, severity, intent blah blah blah.  Unless he's a Suarez (and I'm a Liverpool supporter too) it will never happen again and his bad rep can be for other love/hate actions.

Sorry for the rant :P     

[iZander]

https://twitter.com/Bryceltics/status/988317826497757184

The footage

That is the softest thing I've ever seen, his foot is still on an angle as he walks over Atley. They call this serious but it's ok to bump someone into the fence. Sounds to me like they are hunting Siciliy, now that Dusty is off limits they need a new bad boy.

Cheap shot that was unecessary and off the ball.

Whats your argument its ok to lightly step on a guy on the ground

Why is this not in the misconduct category? Compared to some of the other incidents I've seen this is pathetic. Mitchell threw an elbow at Goldy's head & got off, this is fine material.

This is different, Mitchell slipped high. He's not dumb enough to throw an elbow at the opposition ruckman when he's a brownlow shout. It was a glancing blow at worst and even Goldy said there was absolutely nothing in it

Sic is a flog, stepping on a player on the ground and then running away is just the tip of the iceberg. Should get 2-3, its an awful look for the game. Can't have kids around the country thinking that stepping on a player while they're on the ground is okay

2-3? You have to be joking.  :o

Convince me otherwise? Off the ball, unnatural football act, the list goes on. Don't let the fact he's in your fantasy teams cloud your judgement

Dont let sicily being a flog cloud your judgement, far more dangerous to forcefully push someone into the fence. While its a terrible look its not gonna cause a heap of harm, which seems to be all people care about, not the actual intention of the act for some strange reason.

Strongly disagree there man. Check out the Dickson/McKenna incident. Didn't even draw blood yet McKenna will spend 3 weeks on the sidelines for the bite.

Are you disagreeing with forcefully pushing someone into the fence is more dangerous?

[RoughRed]

So a SC question.... Is Sicily still a keeper - for those who have him

[Spite]

I traded Sicily out in R3 for Gray to avoid a donut (thanks Greene) and traded Sicily back in last week for Venables. This is fine. I am fine.

[iZander]

So a SC question.... Is Sicily still a keeper - for those who have him

If he keeps scoring like he is, yep for sure

[Marstar]

So a SC question.... Is Sicily still a keeper - for those who have him

From a SC perspective consider it as a mathematical equation of the position he fills in your team. i.e. for me it's F4.

As similarly explained above, Sicily as my F4 position so far this season has been 125, 61, 23 (Venables filling in for suspension), 110 and 123 for an average of 88.

Next week I will likely have Henry for cover averaging 54. So I'm looking at F4 dropping to an average of 83 ... which is last straw territory borderline failed mid-pricer.

Alternatively if Guelfi has another good game and is named for his 3rd I can loophole the better out of him and Henry, or if Z.Landon is back and I can use Sicily to loophole the better score out of him and Henry.

I have to weigh all this up vs burning a trade to say Robbie Gray (and taking a Sub score for his R10 bye) and losing a possible F/D link later in the season.

If it's one week (and you have decent cover or bigger issues) then I'd lean towards yes, but otherwise flip a coin or go with your gut. 

[crowls]

Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible.  Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.

exactly,  just fine the bloke and get on with it.

[quinny88]

Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible.  Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.

exactly,  just fine the bloke and get on with it.

I'll be stoked if it gets a fine as I have him in my team but I'm expecting 1-2 weeks. It's a terrible look and although not as physically damaging as a high bump or dangerous tackle it's something the afl hate to see (like the biting) and will want to make an example of

[shaker]

Lol, has everyone gone insane?!? He was being a cheeky cow yeah by doing it, when he did it you can see makes sure he puts as little weight on him as possible.  Stupid, but a punch is 100 times worse in my book and players get away with it most weeks.

exactly,  just fine the bloke and get on with it.

I'll be stoked if it gets a fine as I have him in my team but I'm expecting 1-2 weeks. It's a terrible look and although not as physically damaging as a high bump or dangerous tackle it's something the afl hate to see (like the biting) and will want to make an example of

Yep if he was going to get fined it would have been done yesterday , he did it on purpose little contact or not , expecting 2 weeks could be 1 or could be 3 who knows but they will make sure that players know it is not on..... and yes I have him  >:(

[Rusty00]

You don't get a fine when you get sent to the tribunal Christian was just on the news and did not seems at all amused with it , said it was a dangerous action that could cause injury he's gone 2 minimum my guess

If this is actually what Christian said then he's contradicting his own decisions badly. Forcefully pushing someone into a fence could cause serious injury, tackling someone when they haven't got the ball and driving their head into the ground could cause serious injury, deliberately trying to trip someone could cause serious injury, but because there was no injury in those incidents those players got off with a fine.

[Levi434]

You don't get a fine when you get sent to the tribunal Christian was just on the news and did not seems at all amused with it , said it was a dangerous action that could cause injury he's gone 2 minimum my guess

If this is actually what Christian said then he's contradicting his own decisions badly. Forcefully pushing someone into a fence could cause serious injury, tackling someone when they haven't got the ball and driving their head into the ground could cause serious injury, deliberately trying to trip someone could cause serious injury, but because there was no injury in those incidents those players got off with a fine.

This.

AFL's system is flawed.