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Southstorm

Quote from: SilverLion on January 31, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
2 things

Who is Shiels?

And Oliver is going to drop his average by 15 points?
Luke Shiels of WCE. A lot of people spell his name wrong, like with a u and a y or something, but I've definitely spelt it right.

I might have forgotten about Oliver.

Torpedo10

Quote from: Southstorm on January 31, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on January 31, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
2 things

Who is Shiels?

And Oliver is going to drop his average by 15 points?
Luke Shiels of WCE. A lot of people spell his name wrong, like with a u and a y or something, but I've definitely spelt it right.

I might have forgotten about Oliver.
who is Luke Shiels? Hahaha.

Jukes

Quote from: Torpedo10 on January 31, 2018, 09:18:42 PM
Quote from: Southstorm on January 31, 2018, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on January 31, 2018, 08:55:30 PM
2 things

Who is Shiels?

And Oliver is going to drop his average by 15 points?
Luke Shiels of WCE. A lot of people spell his name wrong, like with a u and a y or something, but I've definitely spelt it right.

I might have forgotten about Oliver.
who is Luke Shiels? Hahaha.

Liam Shiels' lesser-talented brother. Apparently tore Poort Adelaide apart.

eaglesman

Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from

its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

js19

Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from

its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

eaglesman

Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from

its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop

js19

Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

eaglesman

Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

Holz

Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

eaglesman

Quote from: Holz on February 01, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

Yeah good point ... I’ll pay for him when he a bit cheaper for sure

js19

Quote from: eaglesman on February 03, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 01, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

Yeah good point ... I’ll pay for him when he a bit cheaper for sure

He'll get cheaper for sure, but as a rule I try to avoid trading in 600k + players, because you often need 3 trades to get the one guy, especially early on. Otherwise you're probably trading out speculative midpricers anyways, and not rookies. Question is if he'll drop enough to avoid that

SilverLion

Quote from: js19 on February 03, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 03, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 01, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

Yeah good point ... I’ll pay for him when he a bit cheaper for sure

He'll get cheaper for sure, but as a rule I try to avoid trading in 600k + players, because you often need 3 trades to get the one guy, especially early on. Otherwise you're probably trading out speculative midpricers anyways, and not rookies. Question is if he'll drop enough to avoid that
He might, he might not. Regardless, he'll be a top 5 player (barring injury), so why not save the angst and concern about price drop and just start with him instead?

LordSneeze

Quote from: SilverLion on February 04, 2018, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 03, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 03, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 01, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

Yeah good point ... I’ll pay for him when he a bit cheaper for sure

He'll get cheaper for sure, but as a rule I try to avoid trading in 600k + players, because you often need 3 trades to get the one guy, especially early on. Otherwise you're probably trading out speculative midpricers anyways, and not rookies. Question is if he'll drop enough to avoid that
He might, he might not. Regardless, he'll be a top 5 player (barring injury), so why not save the angst and concern about price drop and just start with him instead?
Because this is one way to get a leg up. You need to be able to offset the cost vs value vs gain vs rookie generation. For most people just taking him its easier as its complex to understand what is required to effectively play the upgrade game with high price players.
It is risky, but if you can do it correctly and he drops the value is there

Money Shot

Quote from: LordSneeze on February 05, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 04, 2018, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 03, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 03, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 01, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

Yeah good point ... I’ll pay for him when he a bit cheaper for sure

He'll get cheaper for sure, but as a rule I try to avoid trading in 600k + players, because you often need 3 trades to get the one guy, especially early on. Otherwise you're probably trading out speculative midpricers anyways, and not rookies. Question is if he'll drop enough to avoid that
He might, he might not. Regardless, he'll be a top 5 player (barring injury), so why not save the angst and concern about price drop and just start with him instead?
Because this is one way to get a leg up. You need to be able to offset the cost vs value vs gain vs rookie generation. For most people just taking him its easier as its complex to understand what is required to effectively play the upgrade game with high price players.
It is risky, but if you can do it correctly and he drops the value is there
I think he will average 120-125 which should be close to the top player in the league but will see his price drop.

He is in my team and has been all preseason but if going Danger to Kelly allows me to turn a midpricer into a premium come round 1 then I will be doing it.

It is a scary thought because there is a chance that I wont be able to get him until late in the season and as LS has said it is just easier to start him than it is not too, even if not starting him could pay off big time.

SilverLion

Quote from: Money Shot on February 05, 2018, 01:54:24 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on February 05, 2018, 12:52:37 PM
Quote from: SilverLion on February 04, 2018, 09:59:37 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 03, 2018, 11:48:42 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 03, 2018, 10:59:02 PM
Quote from: Holz on February 01, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:51:09 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:32:24 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on February 01, 2018, 12:24:48 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 01, 2018, 12:04:15 AM
Quote from: eaglesman on January 31, 2018, 11:51:59 PM
Quote from: Holz on January 31, 2018, 01:05:24 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on January 31, 2018, 01:02:37 PM
I don't think Ablett will steal much points from Danger or Jelly at all

It will be the lower ranked players that the points are taken off

Danger, Jelly and GAJ will just continue to get as much pill as always, but the younger/less Cats will get less and that's where their points will come from


its more can Danger keep up 135 for a 3rd year in a row. He is amazing but a fall back to say 125-130 i can certainly see coming. That will still likely make him the best SCer in the league.

I think danger drops for sure and certain ... but do we pick him still at that price ?

Been covered elsewhere, but yes is the consensus. Just too risky not to

I can’t justify it starting him at that price given I know he will drop


If you don't think he'll be the no.1 player, then it COULD pay off, but it's like not starting GAJ a few years back - foolhardy, and ultimately fruitless...

Haha being the number 1 player is one thing justifying the spend another..... I’m happy to start without and pick up cheaper later .. martin and titch hVe less uncertainty for mine

If i knew he would go 120 id still pick him.

Was the only 120+ guy last year.

I pay for captains

Yeah good point ... I’ll pay for him when he a bit cheaper for sure

He'll get cheaper for sure, but as a rule I try to avoid trading in 600k + players, because you often need 3 trades to get the one guy, especially early on. Otherwise you're probably trading out speculative midpricers anyways, and not rookies. Question is if he'll drop enough to avoid that
He might, he might not. Regardless, he'll be a top 5 player (barring injury), so why not save the angst and concern about price drop and just start with him instead?
Because this is one way to get a leg up. You need to be able to offset the cost vs value vs gain vs rookie generation. For most people just taking him its easier as its complex to understand what is required to effectively play the upgrade game with high price players.
It is risky, but if you can do it correctly and he drops the value is there
I think he will average 120-125 which should be close to the top player in the league but will see his price drop.

He is in my team and has been all preseason but if going Danger to Kelly allows me to turn a midpricer into a premium come round 1 then I will be doing it.

It is a scary thought because there is a chance that I wont be able to get him until late in the season and as LS has said it is just easier to start him than it is not too, even if not starting him could pay off big time.
Its all well and good until he pumps out a 160 round 1 ;D