Alex Witherden

[crowls]

The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.

also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be

Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway

yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.

Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

:)

Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price

On the contrary shaker I can see GAZ going up in price if he comes out firing.  Given his prep and training this is possibility.   Lots of 2nd 3 upgrades to GAZ.     For me though too many question marks and risks.   Position, reliability, health and ability to stay on the park.   For those that take him and if he gets to round 10 will be a great result.    Alternative reality is 160, 170, 150 % jumps from 15 to 45% of coaches in rounds 3 and 4 then two weeks later 25pts and shoulder injured half way through 1st quarter.   Out for 8 weeks or retires.

[shaker]

The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.

also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be

Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway

yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.

Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

:)

Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price

On the contrary shaker I can see GAZ going up in price if he comes out firing.  Given his prep and training this is possibility.   Lots of 2nd 3 upgrades to GAZ.     For me though too many question marks and risks.   Position, reliability, health and ability to stay on the park.   For those that take him and if he gets to round 10 will be a great result.    Alternative reality is 160, 170, 150 % jumps from 15 to 45% of coaches in rounds 3 and 4 then two weeks later 25pts and shoulder injured half way through 1st quarter.   Out for 8 weeks or retires.

Yep no doubting his scoring past Crowls and agree it's a big expensive risk and he is another year older so no for me as well and we better get back on subject Witherden won't be getting him either he is the opposite to Gaz seen to little of him  ;)

[Money Shot]

Who will score more points in 2018, Witherden or Ablett is a good question ;)

for me they will be pretty close ...

17 games at 110 avg is 1,870
22 games at 85 avg is 1,870

[Peter]

Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)

[shaker]

Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)

You must be good at picking rookies mate I am always scrambling to unload the potato rookies I chose for others ;D

[quinny88]

Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)

Even if Martin scored 2 80s to start the year, surely you wouldn't trade him no matter how well Ablett started

[enzedder]

Use that Round 2 adjusting trade (Martin down to GAJ, for example)

Even if Martin scored 2 80s to start the year, surely you wouldn't trade him no matter how well Ablett started

Exactly. Chances are you would miss a 150 from Martin and get a 95 from Ablett and be behind everyone who had one of the two.
Adjusting trades are for the rookies you've missed or stuffed up or a mid pricer whose role is not as it seemed it would be during the pre season and has given you a couple of dud scores.

[Peter]

I agree, but try and help those poor people who think he is still top 8

[Grufflez]

Ablett will be top 8 based on average, i have little doubt.

Won't be on overall points.

[Peter]

That’s having a bob each way. Plays 14 games and top 8 average, but of no value for the other 8. Hard to take

[crowls]

The number of tons players racked up last year does not make them proven 100+ defenders. What good is hitting the hundred a few times if you score 70 every other week and average in the 80s or 90s?

I would be expecting Hibberd, Houli, Simpson, Savage and Howe to average below 100 again this year. Hurley and Yeo may well join them.

also expecting 90-100 from this group.  preference is to pick a 22 gamer if i can work out which one it will be

Simpson played 512 out of his last 515 games.  ;) something like that anyway

yea NZ my starting def prems are Simmo, Williams and Laird.   Did a write up on simmo some time ago.  Def prems are the only over 30 players worth considering.

Safe 3 picks I think. Not a bad rule either. Will be some exceptions of course but at the moment I reckon I'm using the same rule without realising it. There seems to have been a changing of the guard... GAJ, Pendles and co are questionable picks whilst Danger, Titch, Dusty and others are more desireable options.

Are you sure about Gazza NZ ? According to Danger in today's H/S the little champs is training very well and he would really want to retire on his terms and at the top of his game. The more I think about him the more I want to take the risk. If he is anything like a POD come Rd.1 he is in and screw the byes.

:)

Only thing with Gaz he has not played any where near a full season since 2013 , he has a R/14 bye like many other guns that will be picked and he is $631K , he should score well but we are yet to see how he will be used think I would rather not start him and see how he is going can't see him being any more expensive than his starting price

On the contrary shaker I can see GAZ going up in price if he comes out firing.  Given his prep and training this is possibility.   Lots of 2nd 3 upgrades to GAZ.     For me though too many question marks and risks.   Position, reliability, health and ability to stay on the park.   For those that take him and if he gets to round 10 will be a great result.    Alternative reality is 160, 170, 150 % jumps from 15 to 45% of coaches in rounds 3 and 4 then two weeks later 25pts and shoulder injured half way through 1st quarter.   Out for 8 weeks or retires.

Yep no doubting his scoring past Crowls and agree it's a big expensive risk and he is another year older so no for me as well and we better get back on subject Witherden won't be getting him either he is the opposite to Gaz seen to little of him  ;)

love witherden, and my money stays in the pocket.  not paying top dollar for a 9 game player.  bugger all upside and lots of downside.    probably a d3 in 2019

[Grufflez]

That’s having a bob each way. Plays 14 games and top 8 average, but of no value for the other 8. Hard to take

Not if you trade him as soon as he misses. 30 trades is a lot.
The winner from last year had only 7 of his starting selections
remaining at the end, 24 trades was a different story but 30 if used wisely go a long way.

Points are the key, main thing i took away from last years winner.

You need a fairly good injury run to win SC anyway, if your season goes to shower with injures it goes to shower,
no point trying to play it safe, If i am not in the race then whether i come 500th or 50,00th doesn't matter to me.

[crowls]

That’s having a bob each way. Plays 14 games and top 8 average, but of no value for the other 8. Hard to take

Not if you trade him as soon as he misses. 30 trades is a lot.
The winner from last year had only 7 of his starting selections
remaining at the end, 24 trades was a different story but 30 if used wisely go a long way.

Points are the key, main thing i took away from last years winner.

You need a fairly good injury run to win SC anyway, if your season goes to shower with injures it goes to shower,
no point trying to play it safe, If i am not in the race then whether i come 500th or 50,00th doesn't matter to me.

Agree Ablett is a start and trade out option.   Could be a great move

[enzedder]

Need to rename this thread to GAJ

[crowls]

Need to rename this thread to GAJ

Witherden is the next ABLETT.........       ;)     If we keep it here maybe nobody will read it and they will all start Ablett and we will shower ourselves if he starts of with 3 x 150+.    Ablett has me conflicted.  Capable of avg 140 for first half of the season or at least until round 10 or byes.     Just a lot of money and cannot see him being a season long keeper.      On the other hand if he gets to 16 games at 125.   Plus 6 rookies at 65.   Yearly total of 2390.   Most people would be very happy with that over a year.


shower I am talking myself into it.  Have to stop now.