Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread

[MontyJnr]

For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.

Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

[Holz]

For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.

Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Ubeat is spot on.

Comparing him too his 128 year is a tough ask. Compare him to his other premo years where he was 113 average. Then you look at what he has put up and assume he cleans up his disposals last 2 games 105 123 57 90 90. Its just that shocker v gawn.

Im not arguing he will be a top 2 ruck i just think you can make up more points elsewhere. Its a trade and a decent amount of cash now to move.

In contrast im working on getting rookies off my field and gray over henry last week gained me 100 points.



I think he can average 90+ which isnt very good but its not horrible.

[Marstar]

For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.

Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Ubeat is spot on.

Comparing him too his 128 year is a tough ask. Compare him to his other premo years where he was 113 average. Then you look at what he has put up and assume he cleans up his disposals last 2 games 105 123 57 90 90. Its just that shocker v gawn.

Im not arguing he will be a top 2 ruck i just think you can make up more points elsewhere. Its a trade and a decent amount of cash now to move.

In contrast im working on getting rookies off my field and gray over henry last week gained me 100 points.



I think he can average 90+ which isnt very good but its not horrible.

Adding to this, so far Gawn has 4 scalps:

Z.Smith 75 (and dropped)
S.Martin 63 (Other scores are 111, 154, 94, 97)
McEvoy 49 (Other scores are  93 138 93 74)

I'd give him a couple weeks to see if the confidence boost from this weeks performance will translate SC scores. 

[igotworms]

For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.

Well we already established that clean disposal/less clangers would only achieve a score of 92/93, which is still well short of his peak form and what is required of a Top 2 ruck.

So the real difference is the significant drop off in hitout numbers, which tells me his great ruck performance yesterday is being overstated somewhat....

North Melbourne @NMFCOfficial Apr 22
Scott: That looked like the Goldstein of old today. He was good, and gave our midfielders first use all afternoon.

Brad certainly mustn't be talking about 2015 Goldstein...

Ubeat is spot on.

Comparing him too his 128 year is a tough ask. Compare him to his other premo years where he was 113 average. Then you look at what he has put up and assume he cleans up his disposals last 2 games 105 123 57 90 90. Its just that shocker v gawn.

Im not arguing he will be a top 2 ruck i just think you can make up more points elsewhere. Its a trade and a decent amount of cash now to move.

In contrast im working on getting rookies off my field and gray over henry last week gained me 100 points.



I think he can average 90+ which isnt very good but its not horrible.

Adding to this, so far Gawn has 4 scalps:

Z.Smith 75 (and dropped)
S.Martin 63 (Other scores are 111, 154, 94, 97)
McEvoy 49 (Other scores are  93 138 93 74)

I'd give him a couple weeks to see if the confidence boost from this weeks performance will translate SC scores.

I watched him on the weekend and he looked sluggish. Didn't cover the ground very well, (not that he ever did) and could hardly get near the pill. Looks like Hit outs and HOAs will generate the majority of his scoring in my opinion. Ill give him a couple more weeks, but think I will look at trading him out to Grundy or NicNat if he starts to get more game time and I have confidence in him not getting rested/injured! :-\

[SilverLion]

If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.

[Torpedo10]

If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.

He's looking awfully good, almost worth the price tag.

[quinny88]

If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.

Your maths are correct. Looking like a must have

[dmac07]

If my maths is correct Grundy will be the top scorer by total points of any player once SC opens for Rd. 6.

Your maths are correct. Looking like a must have

Just need Lycett to fatten up for a few more weeks then its Grundy time. Already having Gawn I really can't see any reason for going anyone other than Grundy. The new Dean Cox

[Bully]

Grundy looking the goods, just need to wait on a drop in price. Next up is Nank followed by Stef Martin & then Smith/Ratugolea. Might never happen looking at things logically.  :P

[tkringle]

Grundy looking the goods, just need to wait on a drop in price. Next up is Nank followed by Stef Martin & then Smith/Ratugolea. Might never happen looking at things logically.  :P

Will go up another ~$20K after today’s game but then has a BE of around 120. No harm cash wise waiting a couple of weeks hoping for a drop

[Ringo]

I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

[Gigantor]

I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Yeah unless you have Smartin or NN I think you really need to consider Grundy

I've got Lycett so hopefully I can get Grundy in about 3 weeks (will probably mean no Danger until after his bye which is risky haha)

[_wato]

I'm gonna miss the boat on Grundy. Next best option is Ryder imo, wait till after his bye (targeting Round 11/12 before 3 home games) and pick him up once the 60 odd is out of his rolling average. Breakeven of 196 so can afford to wait. Should be good for 105 on the run home.

[Marstar]

I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Same. And I already factored in that SMartin would get a low score when he came up against Gawn in R2 (as he has in previous matchups).  If Gawn scalped Grundy in R12 as an equalizer ... SMartin should have been able to make back some ground.

However I didn't expect that Brissy's midfield would struggle so hard this season to take advantage of SMartin's tap work (or he would be so inefficient).

For comparison (rounds 1-4):

Player    Hitouts    Hitouts to Advantage    HTA Rate

S Martin       42                 14                      33.33
B Grundy     28                 12                      42.86

S Martin       35                  8                       22.86
B Grundy     45                  15                     33.33

S Martin       49                  11                     22.45
B Grundy     32                   7                       21.88

S Martin       20                  4                       20
B Grundy     40                 12                       30

[MontyJnr]

I have Stef and Gawn so would be a luxury trade at this stage to go Grundy.

Same. And I already factored in that SMartin would get a low score when he came up against Gawn in R2 (as he has in previous matchups).  If Gawn scalped Grundy in R12 as an equalizer ... SMartin should have been able to make back some ground.

However I didn't expect that Brissy's midfield would struggle so hard this season to take advantage of SMartin's tap work (or he would be so inefficient).

For comparison (rounds 1-4):

Player    Hitouts    Hitouts to Advantage    HTA Rate

S Martin       42                 14                      33.33
B Grundy     28                 12                      42.86

S Martin       35                  8                       22.86
B Grundy     45                  15                     33.33

S Martin       49                  11                     22.45
B Grundy     32                   7                       21.88

S Martin       20                  4                       20
B Grundy     40                 12                       30

Inclusion of Oscar McInerney a worry for Stef owners now...