Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread

[Bully]

Problem is if he struggles, he'll lose too much cash.
So instead of using 200k for a Banfield > fallen gun for e.g. you're forced to use it on upgrading Goldspud

Think that's already happened unless you want to roll the dice on Nic Nat (someone who I believe will be rested).

Don't think Goldy will shed much more, he's 450k now.

[no eye deer]

Problem is if he struggles, he'll lose too much cash.
So instead of using 200k for a Banfield > fallen gun for e.g. you're forced to use it on upgrading Goldspud

Think that's already happened unless you want to roll the dice on Nic Nat (someone who I believe will be rested).

Don't think Goldy will shed much more, he's 450k now.

NicNat is so tempting. Looks fit as. Killing it when he’s on the park. Chance of getting rested, but if he stays fit and uninjured, the Eagles should start giving him more TOG as the season gets serious. He’s pumping out tons with 60% game time.

[dmac07]

Happy enough I started Lycett now. Hopefully get a few more good weeks of cash gen and scoring. Thinking Grundy is the must have upgrade if i can afford him though.

[ubeaut]

Happy enough I started Lycett now. Hopefully get a few more good weeks of cash gen and scoring. Thinking Grundy is the must have upgrade if i can afford him though.

Well done starting Lycett. I was talking him up all PS and chickened out.
Would have been better off if I stuck with him given Goldspuds efforts(or lack thereof)
250 k extra could have got me Coniglio instead of Brayshaw too.

[Hazza09]

Im facing a few problems keeping Goldstein at the moment.

I watched the game closely yesterday and yes he did play very well, he won plenty of Hit Outs to advantage and was the better ruckman. But thats were it stops unfortunately.

His ability to get possessions has me worried. Doesn't seem to get involved in the game other than Ruck Contests.

He is hurting me big time, the problem is he is a pure unique in my cash league as nobody but myself has the spud and every week so far he is costing me 30-50 points a week. Ive lost all my games so far thanks to him and Billings and its really pissing me off when i see Stefan and Nic Nat tonning up every week and I'm there hoping Goldstein can get a 80!

Not sure what to do now, i have so many other areas in my team that need work.... M8, F6 and i have Billings too.

Im going to hold Goldy for the next week or 2, don't have a choice but if by Rd 6-7 he hasn't improved ill have to bite the bullet and trade him!

Enough is Enough!

[shaker]

He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.

So basically without that last 5 mins he scores a 60???
Need more from a ruckman these days. Can't have been that good of a tap ruck game as HOTAs score big points. He won't improve while he's allergic to marking, tackling and touching the ball other than a tap.
Up in QLD Witts is on 98 from 10 disposals 7 tackles 5 clearances. Start of last quarter.
Martin on 80 from 18 disposals.
Nic Nat averaging 100 from bugger all time on ground.
Sinclair averaging 110 hardly ever been no.1 ruck before.
Gawn and Grundy need no introduction.
Ryder and Kreuz only hampered by injuries.
Only rucks he's beating after this 3rd crap score is Bellchambers and Jacobs, the other overrated spud.

Definitely been disappointing but he's got some weak opponents coming up. Will trade if he struggles against a ruckless Port, Sinclair, Nank & Simpson/Lobb/Patton.

The problem is Bully is Norf are playing good footy they are winning the coach is happy with him and could not care less about SC scores and the weaker opposition in coming games is true but they have very good midfields that could hurt his HOTA , he really needs to make the extra points around the ground and ATM he looks like an old plodder compared to other rucks.

[Bully]

Im facing a few problems keeping Goldstein at the moment.

I watched the game closely yesterday and yes he did play very well, he won plenty of Hit Outs to advantage and was the better ruckman. But thats were it stops unfortunately.

His ability to get possessions has me worried. Doesn't seem to get involved in the game other than Ruck Contests.

He is hurting me big time, the problem is he is a pure unique in my cash league as nobody but myself has the spud and every week so far he is costing me 30-50 points a week. Ive lost all my games so far thanks to him and Billings and its really pissing me off when i see Stefan and Nic Nat tonning up every week and I'm there hoping Goldstein can get a 80!

Not sure what to do now, i have so many other areas in my team that need work.... M8, F6 and i have Billings too.

Im going to hold Goldy for the next week or 2, don't have a choice but if by Rd 6-7 he hasn't improved ill have to bite the bullet and trade him!

Enough is Enough!

Hold, think it's too late to trade as you are selling at rock bottom. Have mentioned before that Goldy has a dream run coming up - Port with no ruck to speak of, Sinclair who will get smashed in the centre square & GWS who have been playing Simpson. If he bombs in these matches then offload, if fact if he fails to ton up then offload, I personally won't be happy with 90s in these matches.

He actually played a superb tap ruckman game, and a phenomenal last 5 minutes where he went from 55->77.

Hopefully North's success brings him some points again.

So basically without that last 5 mins he scores a 60???
Need more from a ruckman these days. Can't have been that good of a tap ruck game as HOTAs score big points. He won't improve while he's allergic to marking, tackling and touching the ball other than a tap.
Up in QLD Witts is on 98 from 10 disposals 7 tackles 5 clearances. Start of last quarter.
Martin on 80 from 18 disposals.
Nic Nat averaging 100 from bugger all time on ground.
Sinclair averaging 110 hardly ever been no.1 ruck before.
Gawn and Grundy need no introduction.
Ryder and Kreuz only hampered by injuries.
Only rucks he's beating after this 3rd crap score is Bellchambers and Jacobs, the other overrated spud.

Definitely been disappointing but he's got some weak opponents coming up. Will trade if he struggles against a ruckless Port, Sinclair, Nank & Simpson/Lobb/Patton.

The problem is Bully is Norf are playing good footy they are winning the coach is happy with him and could not care less about SC scores and the weaker opposition in coming games is true but they have very good midfields that could hurt his HOTA , he really needs to make the extra points around the ground and ATM he looks like an old plodder compared to other rucks.

I made the choice not to bring Grundy in last week due to Goldy's upcoming opponents, now that I've made that choice I have to stick to it. Hawthorn was a danger game & that's passed without a catastrophic score like last year. I want a 100 average over the next 3 weeks, if that fails to materialise then I will definitely trade. Can't forget that this is a long season & the fact that Goldy is the sole ruck in a rejuvenated North line-up can only be a good thing. His 2017 was the stuff of nightmares yet he still managed a 95 average.

[smashbox]

I'd give him atleast until his bye and trade him after that if need be

[jfitty]

As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

[jvalles69]

As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

I think I'll be doing the same, Nic Nat is tempting, but going to look at completing my other lines...

[ubeaut]

As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

[Holz]

As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

he has never been a high possession guy.


Truth is he played a pretty good AFL game he got 45% of the hitouts to beat his opposition once again.

his tackle numbers is not shocking he is a ruck, Grundy Witts and NN are better but apart from those 3 he is bang on the normal amount for good rucks.

Grundy and Martin rack up touches, but again Goldy is doing pretty much bang on average for the good rucks.

Marks he is bang on average for all the good rucks, no major standouts.

realistically he is putting up good just not elite numbers.

Gawn and Sandi elite HOs
Grundy Witts NN elite tackles
Grundy Martin elite possesions

Goldy has been pretty much good at everything but elite at nothing, people are missing the real reason his scores are a little down, his disposals have been abit ineffective.

been running at 50% efficiency with a few clangers. If he can fix that up and turn a couple of clangers into effective kicks then his scores would be

92 + 93 which is good but not elite, which is a fair reflection of what he is really putting up.



So if you hoping he will increase his touches, tackling and marks it just wont happen, he hasnt been that bad. He just hasnt been great and has been a little ineffective.

[Hazza09]

As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

he has never been a high possession guy.


Truth is he played a pretty good AFL game he got 45% of the hitouts to beat his opposition once again.

his tackle numbers is not shocking he is a ruck, Grundy Witts and NN are better but apart from those 3 he is bang on the normal amount for good rucks.

Grundy and Martin rack up touches, but again Goldy is doing pretty much bang on average for the good rucks.

Marks he is bang on average for all the good rucks, no major standouts.

realistically he is putting up good just not elite numbers.

Gawn and Sandi elite HOs
Grundy Witts NN elite tackles
Grundy Martin elite possesions

Goldy has been pretty much good at everything but elite at nothing, people are missing the real reason his scores are a little down, his disposals have been abit ineffective.

been running at 50% efficiency with a few clangers. If he can fix that up and turn a couple of clangers into effective kicks then his scores would be

92 + 93 which is good but not elite, which is a fair reflection of what he is really putting up.



So if you hoping he will increase his touches, tackling and marks it just wont happen, he hasnt been that bad. He just hasnt been great and has been a little ineffective.

So in your opinion does he go or does he stay for a little bit longer?

Cant keep losing 30-45 points a game in cash leagues any longer when up against Martin/Witts/Grundy/NN

[MontyJnr]

As painful as it is, I think I'll hold Goldstein a little while longer.

The possessions are a concern, but he doesn't need too many to score well. Even in 2015 when he averaged 128 (seems like so long ago), he only had 4 games above 20 possessions.

He has an easier run coming up in terms of rucks (Port, Sydney, Richmond, GWS) so think I'll hold just a few weeks longer.

"The possessions are a concern" huge understatement. He struggles to get 10 let alone 20.The lack of tackles also terrible.
I'll have to hold too, but I'm not happy about it. Another nail in the coffin of the never trade a premium myth.

he has never been a high possession guy.


Truth is he played a pretty good AFL game he got 45% of the hitouts to beat his opposition once again.

his tackle numbers is not shocking he is a ruck, Grundy Witts and NN are better but apart from those 3 he is bang on the normal amount for good rucks.

Grundy and Martin rack up touches, but again Goldy is doing pretty much bang on average for the good rucks.

Marks he is bang on average for all the good rucks, no major standouts.

realistically he is putting up good just not elite numbers.

Gawn and Sandi elite HOs
Grundy Witts NN elite tackles
Grundy Martin elite possesions

Goldy has been pretty much good at everything but elite at nothing, people are missing the real reason his scores are a little down, his disposals have been abit ineffective.

been running at 50% efficiency with a few clangers. If he can fix that up and turn a couple of clangers into effective kicks then his scores would be

92 + 93 which is good but not elite, which is a fair reflection of what he is really putting up.



So if you hoping he will increase his touches, tackling and marks it just wont happen, he hasnt been that bad. He just hasnt been great and has been a little ineffective.

So what has changed from 2015?

If he was never a high possession guy and he supposedly smashed McEvoy to play a great game in the ruck yesterday, where have all the points gone that saw him average 128.3 three years ago? Even if he scores 92/93 with effective disposal, this is still wayyyy below what we saw a few years back.

I am genuinely interested.

[ubeaut]

For a start, he had huge hit out and HOTAs that year. Averaged 45.
Compared to 30 this year so a 30+% drop?
He also averaged 15 disposals, 4 marks and 4 tackles compared to 13/3/3
Not a huge difference, but add in his ineffective disposals, clangers and large hit out drop, it all adds up.
I'd also argue Norf had a better midfield at his feet then too.