Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread

[RoughRed]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

+1

[dmac07]

Anyone considering Grundy?

Averaged 97 last year, not much injury history, one of the only top rucks that still has natural development left in his game.

Cox getting more game time makes it a bit more unknown but I still think Grundy spends most of his time in the ruck.

[Colty]

Anyone considering Grundy?

Averaged 97 last year, not much injury history, one of the only top rucks that still has natural development left in his game.

Cox getting more game time makes it a bit more unknown but I still think Grundy spends most of his time in the ruck.

I thought about it but I just cant fork that sort of money for a bloke whos never really got it done. I'm going Kruez and hoping he doesnt get hurt.

[fasttrack13]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

[Levi434]

Kreuz looked amazing in JLT1. He looks like he's finally put injury woes behind him and now has some serious continuity to his game. I don't know if he can back up his 2017, but even if he drops 4-5 points he'll still probably be a top 2 ruck.

[Holz]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

[Levi434]

Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Interesting stats Holz.

But this^^^ is the only stat we need to look at. Continuity means something at the top level. It's fair to say that if Kreuz played 94% of games he'd have many better seasons.

[Bully]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

[Holz]

Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Interesting stats Holz.

But this^^^ is the only stat we need to look at. Continuity means something at the top level. It's fair to say that if Kreuz played 94% of games he'd have many better seasons.

well yes he would. but he has a career best year last year and he only pumped out 109. his best before that was a 98.

Goldy just had a shocking year and he still went 95.

I could also easily argue if Goldy wasnt injured in the preseason, injured round 1 and having off-field issues then he could have beaten Kreuz last year.

[Holz]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

[Adamant]

Take out the game where Dangerfield drove his head into the turf, 111.6 average. He averaged 120.1 after Rd 6 excluding that game which is close to Goldy 2015 territory. You could argue that Matty is underpriced.

[Bully]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Will be a good pick this year, clear choice for mine. Kreuzer just had an out of the box season. We've posted the notes on Goldy a few pages back, marriage break-up destroyed his year. Will bounce back & still pretty young for a ruck.

[Holz]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Will be a good pick this year, clear choice for mine. Kreuzer just had an out of the box season. We've posted the notes on Goldy a few pages back, marriage break-up destroyed his year. Will bounce back & still pretty young for a ruck.

You told me to stop talking up Goldy, so i downplayed it with that i thought he was a good pick in the past, implying he wasn't a great pick now. Even though i think he is a great pick.

then you talked up goldy for this year :P

[Levi434]

Why not start both Goldy and Kreuz then?

[Bully]

There's no way I could pay that much for Kreuzer. He is a gun but i honestly don't feel like there will be that much between him and Goldstein

It's only 600k, compared to what we've forked out for Gawn and Goldstein in the pass... Unlike those two Kreuzer was a number 1 pick! Only player i see beating him or having a chance is Gawn!

wouldnt even put Goldy and Kreuz in the same sentence, number 1 pick means nothing. Goldy is one year younger but here are the stats.


90+ seasons
Goldy 7 Kreuz 3

100+ seasons
Goldy 5 Kreuz 1

110+ seasons
Goldy 3 Kreuz 0

125+ seasons
Goldy 1 kreuz 0

so yes we have paid these kind of prices for Goldy in the past but he has put up great numbers year after year.

last 7 years


Goldy 94% games played for a 109 average
Kreuz 68% games played for a 90 average

Quit talking up Goldy!!  ;D

im not saying Goldy is a great pick this year. he has been a great pick in years gone past and all im saying is nobody should be comparing Kreuz to the Goldy of past.

Will be a good pick this year, clear choice for mine. Kreuzer just had an out of the box season. We've posted the notes on Goldy a few pages back, marriage break-up destroyed his year. Will bounce back & still pretty young for a ruck.

You told me to stop talking up Goldy, so i downplayed it with that i thought he was a good pick in the past, implying he wasn't a great pick now. Even though i think he is a great pick.

then you talked up goldy for this year :P

:-X Ok, we need to get on the same page.

GOLDY IS A HASBEEN!!