Top 2/5 rucks, 2018 Thread

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quinny88

I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

js19

Quote from: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 02:49:05 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

quinny88

Quote from: js19 on February 04, 2018, 03:09:00 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 02:49:05 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

js19

Quote from: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 04:27:08 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 04, 2018, 03:09:00 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 02:49:05 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

Problem is Goldy is 29, and Preuss only 22. If Preuss doesn't get games, he'll want to leave, and he looks a pretty good replacement down the track, so I'd say NM would want him to stick around

Ringo

Quote from: js19 on February 04, 2018, 05:17:19 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 04:27:08 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 04, 2018, 03:09:00 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on February 04, 2018, 02:49:05 AM
I'm actually considering Goldy. He had a terrible year and still averaged 94.8

I think this year will be a year that teams go with 1 ruck and as long as he stays ahead of Preuss he will average 100+

Has history on his side, but Preuss was impressive when he played, which spells potential trouble. If one ruck only could be guaranteed, then I'd jump on Goldy myself

Yeah would have to be named alone for me to go with him. Crazy to think that they could go with Preuss over such a dominant ruckman

Problem is Goldy is 29, and Preuss only 22. If Preuss doesn't get games, he'll want to leave, and he looks a pretty good replacement down the track, so I'd say NM would want him to stick around
Similar situation to Brisbane Martin as sole rucks dominates but he is 31 and we need to get more games into Smith and McInerney.  If Martin was sole ruck would be all over him.

RaisyDaisy

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I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks

iZander

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I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway. 

enzedder

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2018, 10:56:51 AM
Quote from: js19 on February 03, 2018, 11:51:33 PM
Quote from: shaker on February 03, 2018, 08:27:35 PM
Quote from: iZander on February 03, 2018, 08:16:24 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on February 03, 2018, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: shaker on February 03, 2018, 07:06:03 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 03, 2018, 03:35:12 PM
Quote from: shaker on February 03, 2018, 01:24:35 PM
I reckon this is the year for set and forget are you really thinking about starting Lycett Vardy or Ceglar for R2 ? seems to me if Nic Nat plays but is looking like being rested then surely Lycett or Vardy won't play when he does so you are in the same boat may as well start Nic Nat same with Ceglar if the coach decides to go with one ruck every now and then all for 150 - 200K into another line , what you gain in points in one line you lose for having a lesser ruck who might not play all the time ?

Ceglar was best 22 and if he returns Rd1 then I would expect that to still be the case

Roughead is also an option who is best 22

Lycett/Vardy is risky yes, but again it's no so much making a call on the exact player right now because there's still so long to go before we see who is playing etc, but the discussion is more so about the theory of adopting this strategy and I think I will be doing it this year, hopefully as a POD
Ceglar avg. 69.2 last year you really want a R2 that avg's 70 ?

Does it matter?

If your R2 is cheap and avg's 70 that means your D4/M6/F4 averages higher
Yes.
There are heaps of players in the D/M/F who cheap and COULD premos, much better taking a risk on one of those than getting a guy you know wont go very big just to get "better" in those positions


My thinking as well you only get 2 Rucks why would you choose a spud with one of your picks

+1

Sandy last year was a fallen prem, and that played out ok, but hoping a spud finally matures is much more risky imo

You're missing the point. I'm not looking to pick one of these average rucks hoping they will mature and turn into a keeper. I am picking them knowing that 6-8 rounds into the season I will upgrade them to the best looking ruck

I'm looking into doing this because I can't figure out which "prem" ruck I want to go with Gawn, so instead of spending 500k+ on Sauce/Goldy/Ryder etc I bank the 200k and start a poorer ruck that has no JS issues, take his lower scores but use that 200k to get another starter on another line

Now this is the important part: I am doing this because we have no DPP rucks for cover this year, so we're going to have to burn trades in the ruck regardless unless you're blessed enough to pick 2 rucks who both don't miss a single game all year. So because we're going to have to burn a trade or two in the rucks anyway, I'm adopting this strategy and choosing to start an extra prem in another line instead of the rucks
I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: iZander on February 04, 2018, 11:07:25 AM
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway.

Quote from: enzedder on February 04, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

All valid points :)

I'm not saying I am 100% locked on doing this, but that I think it's worth at least exploring

To be honest, I think I would most likely only do it if someone like Lycett looked like being locked in their best 22 because at his price range there is a lot of upside. Dawson Simpson might be the other one to consider if GWS don't want Lobb being their sole ruck

I mentioned their names as examples, but I honestly couldn't see myself picking spuds like Rough/Naismith etc

At the end of the day, it probably just comes down to picking who you think will be the best pick from the 250-300k players like Lycett, Griffen, Christensen, Birchall etc

I'd only want to pick one of them

iZander

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 04, 2018, 11:32:24 AM
Quote from: iZander on February 04, 2018, 11:07:25 AM
Yeah i get the strategy, dont think its a good one though

Pick someone like Jacobs and take the chance of him being the 2nd best ruck (in this scenario you dont have to burn a trade) and if hes not you can trade him if you really want (still burning a trade like you would have). While you would have received premo scroing from jacobs in these weeks which you wouldnt get with someone like ceglar. You also get the benfit of being able to pick someone in the D/M/F that will make more cash and maybe score well as there are heaps of good cash making options in other positions. my opinion anyway.

Quote from: enzedder on February 04, 2018, 11:22:42 AM
I understand the thinking but I still don't like it.
In my case by ridding myself of Jacobs to a Hampson or Ceglar type I end up with truck loads of cash but not enough to upgrade a rookie so it'd be someone like Christensen upgraded to Dahlhaus or Cripps to Kelly with rookie to expensive rookie...not enough appeal there for me... would rather have two set and forget rucks and hope for the best.
If McEvoy or Kreuzer were to go down though Ceglar and Lobbe would suddenly become more attractive though.

All valid points :)

I'm not saying I am 100% locked on doing this, but that I think it's worth at least exploring

To be honest, I think I would most likely only do it if someone like Lycett looked like being locked in their best 22 because at his price range there is a lot of upside. Dawson Simpson might be the other one to consider if GWS don't want Lobb being their sole ruck

I mentioned their names as examples, but I honestly couldn't see myself picking spuds like Rough/Naismith etc

At the end of the day, it probably just comes down to picking who you think will be the best pick from the 250-300k players like Lycett, Griffen, Christensen, Birchall etc

I'd only want to pick one of them
Yeah i think if there was a good cash making option then id do it but i dont see one thats as good or better than the cash makers in the fwd/mid/def so id just take the risk with someone like Jacobs personally, if hes not the top scorer and you want to trade him then you still burn the trade anyway, but honestly i think Jacobs might actually be the best SC option anyway, so durable, wont miss games, may not be the 2nd highest average but i reckon you could nearly bank on him being one of the 3 highest point scorers

shaker

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To be honest McEvoy did really well last year when Ceglar was out so maybe he will not just walk back into the team out all year with knee reco? he may need some time in the 2's to get some touch

RaisyDaisy

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Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

Bully

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 08:31:10 PM
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Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.

shaker

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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 08:31:10 PM
Fantasy Freako Retweeted SEN Footy
Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

Bully

Quote from: shaker on February 05, 2018, 08:40:34 PM
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Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 05, 2018, 08:31:10 PM
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Haselby says that Nic Nat could miss the entire JLT series. Not a great lead into Rnd 1.

He's out for me, think I'll go Grundy who is trending up.
AFL site saying he is no certainty for R1 oh well might make the rucks a bit more interesting  ;)

There's no obvious pick here, Sauce is up & down, Stef Martin is ageing, Goldy is yesterday's hero. Reckon it has to be Grundy given his age and scoring trend.