The Value Forwards

Started by Money Shot, December 14, 2017, 03:25:15 PM

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frenzy

Quote from: TexR74 on March 14, 2018, 01:25:23 AM
Quote from: Mat0369 on March 13, 2018, 08:16:49 PM
It's really rare that a tagger can stop an opponent and win the ball and hurt them. The last guy I can think of was Carrots.
Call it north bias, but pre injury Ben Jacobs was pretty damaging as a tagger

We delisted our best tagger and the Crows were that impressed with the job he done on Sloane, they pulled him outta the rubbish pile for free.

Mat0369

Quote from: quinny88 on March 14, 2018, 04:31:30 PM
Who's going Cyril if he plays round 1? I'm so tempted to get him in

Had him in an initial draft, then I found out he hasn't really had a preseason. That has to be a no. I'd be shocked if he doesn't do a hammy in the first 5 weeks.

SydneyRox

I cannot see me picking any of these guys except maybe Bundy, the rest are all way too risky, and so is Bundy, but he has at least been playing and training, more than can be said for most of these guys.

Ringo

I am actually going Dunkley at F4 and Bundy at F5.

Dunkley really looked good in JLT with 114 and 75 so if he can maintain that form good value at $296k and am confident Bundy will average 80+.  Will start slow as he gains match fitness.

Bully

Quote from: Ringo on March 14, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
I am actually going Dunkley at F4 and Bundy at F5.

Dunkley really looked good in JLT with 114 and 75 so if he can maintain that form good value at $296k and am confident Bundy will average 80+.  Will start slow as he gains match fitness.

What worries me most about Christensen is when he's poor he's abysmal. In 2016 he had 3 scores in the twenties, the last was his collarbone break but he still played  half. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Rioli will be worth the extra dough.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Bully on March 14, 2018, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on March 14, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
I am actually going Dunkley at F4 and Bundy at F5.

Dunkley really looked good in JLT with 114 and 75 so if he can maintain that form good value at $296k and am confident Bundy will average 80+.  Will start slow as he gains match fitness.

What worries me most about Christensen is when he's poor he's abysmal. In 2016 he had 3 scores in the twenties, the last was his collarbone break but he still played  half. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Rioli will be worth the extra dough.

Hypothetical

If Mason Cox was guaranteed to average 75+, at 304k with RUC/FWD DPP would you start him?

I'm not giving his massive score on the weekend much notice, but humour me with that hypothetical

I don't think the answer is as easy as it may seem

Bully

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 14, 2018, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on March 14, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
I am actually going Dunkley at F4 and Bundy at F5.

Dunkley really looked good in JLT with 114 and 75 so if he can maintain that form good value at $296k and am confident Bundy will average 80+.  Will start slow as he gains match fitness.

What worries me most about Christensen is when he's poor he's abysmal. In 2016 he had 3 scores in the twenties, the last was his collarbone break but he still played  half. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Rioli will be worth the extra dough.

Hypothetical

If Mason Cox was guaranteed to average 75+, at 304k with RUC/FWD DPP would you start him?

I'm not giving his massive score on the weekend much notice, but humour me with that hypothetical

I don't think the answer is as easy as it may seem

Well you can bump the cost up an extra 15k because he needs to be paired with a DPP. Personally I don't think it's worth it and will run the gauntlet with Gawnstein & hope they can at least make it to round 10. No guarantees Cox hits 75 either, he took an 18 y/o to the cleaners but I wouldn't back him to do that with the elite defenders of the comp. With Moore moving to defence he'll be a primary target.

Money Shot

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 14, 2018, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on March 14, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
I am actually going Dunkley at F4 and Bundy at F5.

Dunkley really looked good in JLT with 114 and 75 so if he can maintain that form good value at $296k and am confident Bundy will average 80+.  Will start slow as he gains match fitness.

What worries me most about Christensen is when he's poor he's abysmal. In 2016 he had 3 scores in the twenties, the last was his collarbone break but he still played  half. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Rioli will be worth the extra dough.

Hypothetical

If Mason Cox was guaranteed to average 75+, at 304k with RUC/FWD DPP would you start him?

I'm not giving his massive score on the weekend much notice, but humour me with that hypothetical

I don't think the answer is as easy as it may seem
I watched the game and although he kicked a few he didn't look that good in my opinion, when he is versing A grade defenders I think he will struggle, it could see him get dropped.

In regards to your hypothetical if it was 80+ then I would lock him in but 75-80 isn't enough for my liking with Bundy probably averaging that for cheaper.

Don't think ruck cover is that important this year as no one will have it.

Southstorm

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 14, 2018, 08:26:14 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 14, 2018, 08:13:31 PM
Quote from: Ringo on March 14, 2018, 07:56:27 PM
I am actually going Dunkley at F4 and Bundy at F5.

Dunkley really looked good in JLT with 114 and 75 so if he can maintain that form good value at $296k and am confident Bundy will average 80+.  Will start slow as he gains match fitness.

What worries me most about Christensen is when he's poor he's abysmal. In 2016 he had 3 scores in the twenties, the last was his collarbone break but he still played  half. The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced Rioli will be worth the extra dough.

Hypothetical

If Mason Cox was guaranteed to average 75+, at 304k with RUC/FWD DPP would you start him?

I'm not giving his massive score on the weekend much notice, but humour me with that hypothetical

I don't think the answer is as easy as it may seem
My approach to that is scoring. 75ppg puts him at around $410k true value, he might only make $75k before the byes. $380k is probably too low to do a simple sideways trade to another premium so you're looking at two trades.

Effectively I see this as giving away a trade or $100k for ruck cover if you compare him to other mid price options in the forwards. Not sure I'd pay that much for ruck coverage if I'm starting two premos; neither value or need in doing so.

Cox scoring 90, Cox being $250k or maybe if I was starting Slyce or Sinkers would probably see me change my mind.

meow meow

Mason Cox... really?

Can tell it's been a long preseason if people are seriously considering him.

"Why do I always get sucked into mid-pricers ffs. Guns and rookies only next year"

One preseason later...

"LOLMumba looks good, I think I'll start him". "I'll back in JOM even though he doesn't have knees". "I'll get Cox for ruck cover and if he averages 95 it'll be a win".

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: meow meow on March 15, 2018, 09:39:19 PM
Mason Cox... really?

Can tell it's been a long preseason if people are seriously considering him.

"Why do I always get sucked into mid-pricers ffs. Guns and rookies only next year"

One preseason later...

"LOLMumba looks good, I think I'll start him". "I'll back in JOM even though he doesn't have knees". "I'll get Cox for ruck cover and if he averages 95 it'll be a win".

I clearly stated it was a pure hypothetical. In fact, I used him as an example more so because of his ruck DPP but most didn't really focus on that

As for GNR, doesn't help when there's flower all good rookies :P

frenzy

Is Jackson Trengrove in best 22 at the Bullies?

My read is that he could be bullies 1st RUC, @ 344k would be a fwd steal.

batt

Quote from: frenzy on March 16, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Is Jackson Trengrove in best 22 at the Bullies?

My read is that he could be bullies 1st RUC, @ 344k would be a fwd steal.
Recruited as a forward that can swing back.  Roughead is the ruckman.

enzedder

Quote from: batt on March 16, 2018, 03:14:53 PM
Quote from: frenzy on March 16, 2018, 03:12:07 PM
Is Jackson Trengrove in best 22 at the Bullies?

My read is that he could be bullies 1st RUC, @ 344k would be a fwd steal.
Recruited as a forward that can swing back.  Roughead is the ruckman.
It's an interesting thought but I think that's about it.... forget it.

Koop

Does Aaron Hall's injury push the other Aaron up onto the wing? His SANFL form in the midfield last year was nothing short of spectacular and match-winning and he moved to become more of a M/F hybrid. 75 & 83 in the JLT too as deep forward. Monitor where he's named next week perhaps?