Holzman's Heores

Started by Holz, December 13, 2017, 11:33:57 AM

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Trindacut

People always looking to make a cheap buck go for aging players like pendles who they hope recapture their old form.

He's on the wrong side of 27 for me. I'd go with someone younger, J. Kelly or male Neale. WA blokes often get forgotten and can be good PODs.

Franklin is terribly inconsistent and is also old with wrecked shoulders. Pass. If you're going to take a risk there do it with someone cheaper.

meow meow

If the 2018 listed forwards were all 2017 listed forwards Buddy would have been the best forward of all of them. Not sure you can say he's a risk based on that. It's like saying Danger is a risk (heh).

Peter

With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Holz

Quote from: Peter on January 10, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Danger has Jelly Ablett Duncan Menegola S.Selwood Blicavs  through the middle and most expect him to be the #1 SCer.

Pendles has gone 120+ with Swan Beams Sidey and Co running through the mids.

last year pendles went 100+ 18/22 times and his poor scores where 89, 87,82, 94. similar the year before.

last year he went 100+ 8/16 times.

the thing to determine is was this a blip or is this the trend.

129 125 127 124 116 118 107

crowls

Quote from: Holz on January 10, 2018, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Peter on January 10, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Danger has Jelly Ablett Duncan Menegola S.Selwood Blicavs  through the middle and most expect him to be the #1 SCer.

Pendles has gone 120+ with Swan Beams Sidey and Co running through the mids.

last year pendles went 100+ 18/22 times and his poor scores where 89, 87,82, 94. similar the year before.

last year he went 100+ 8/16 times.

the thing to determine is was this a blip or is this the trend.

129 125 127 124 116 118 107
What do the brokers say "the trend is your friend".    Hope you are wrong Holz, I am starting Pendles and this will be his last year with the BombersRule team so expecting a good farewell.

enzedder

After spending all that cash on Danger, Dusty and Titch I think you have to set your sights on someone a bit cheaper to fill the other premo mid spots. I'm doing the same thing. Fyfe has to be locked in as well.
That said Pendles has merit but there's a genuine doubt over him now. You have to take a punt on someone though. I'm punting on Beams, but it's a different kind of punt.... and if his body fails it fails... I like watching him play and will enjoy it as long as it lasts. If I took a punt on Pendles and was forced to watch him play off the ball like he did for parts of last year I'd be p!ssed to the max. Both Beams and Pendles are no stranger to pumping out 120-150s and the pair of them had their share last season too, even though their averages were down.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if one or both bounced back to a 110-115 average next year.
Hope they do because the game is better with them at their top.

crowls

Quote from: enzedder on January 10, 2018, 11:15:34 AM
After spending all that cash on Danger, Dusty and Titch I think you have to set your sights on someone a bit cheaper to fill the other premo mid spots. I'm doing the same thing. Fyfe has to be locked in as well.
That said Pendles has merit but there's a genuine doubt over him now. You have to take a punt on someone though. I'm punting on Beams, but it's a different kind of punt.... and if his body fails it fails... I like watching him play and will enjoy it as long as it lasts. If I took a punt on Pendles and was forced to watch him play off the ball like he did for parts of last year I'd be p!ssed to the max. Both Beams and Pendles are no stranger to pumping out 120-150s and the pair of them had their share last season too, even though their averages were down.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if one or both bounced back to a 110-115 average next year.
Hope they do because the game is better with them at their top.
Hopefully collingwood do not need propping up in the backline again this year.   Definitely remember him not be around the ball as much last year.   However was this due to carrying an injury or Buckly playing him off the ball?

SilverLion

Quote from: crowls on January 10, 2018, 11:22:18 AM
Quote from: enzedder on January 10, 2018, 11:15:34 AM
After spending all that cash on Danger, Dusty and Titch I think you have to set your sights on someone a bit cheaper to fill the other premo mid spots. I'm doing the same thing. Fyfe has to be locked in as well.
That said Pendles has merit but there's a genuine doubt over him now. You have to take a punt on someone though. I'm punting on Beams, but it's a different kind of punt.... and if his body fails it fails... I like watching him play and will enjoy it as long as it lasts. If I took a punt on Pendles and was forced to watch him play off the ball like he did for parts of last year I'd be p!ssed to the max. Both Beams and Pendles are no stranger to pumping out 120-150s and the pair of them had their share last season too, even though their averages were down.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if one or both bounced back to a 110-115 average next year.
Hope they do because the game is better with them at their top.
Hopefully collingwood do not need propping up in the backline again this year.   Definitely remember him not be around the ball as much last year.   However was this due to carrying an injury or Buckly playing him off the ball?
Possibly both, Buckley has tried Adams and Pendles across HB over the last 2 years not 100% sure on the reasons why though. Who knows, he might play Treloar there this year ;D

shaker

Quote from: enzedder on January 10, 2018, 11:15:34 AM
After spending all that cash on Danger, Dusty and Titch I think you have to set your sights on someone a bit cheaper to fill the other premo mid spots. I'm doing the same thing. Fyfe has to be locked in as well.
That said Pendles has merit but there's a genuine doubt over him now. You have to take a punt on someone though. I'm punting on Beams, but it's a different kind of punt.... and if his body fails it fails... I like watching him play and will enjoy it as long as it lasts. If I took a punt on Pendles and was forced to watch him play off the ball like he did for parts of last year I'd be p!ssed to the max. Both Beams and Pendles are no stranger to pumping out 120-150s and the pair of them had their share last season too, even though their averages were down.
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if one or both bounced back to a 110-115 average next year.
Hope they do because the game is better with them at their top.

I'm thinking of both Beams and Pendles myself and the concerns for me with Pendles is not Pendles he is all class it's the coach he has steadily taken this team to the low of last year , he does not seem to have a game plan and does not seem to able to change plans on game day so guess will just watch JLT and see if there is any obvious change

Beams is a SC pig it's just his body that has held him back the last couple of years so he is a wait and see that he is not starting the year with body issues but definitely need one or two in the mids with the R13 bye

LordSneeze

Quote from: crowls on January 10, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Holz on January 10, 2018, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Peter on January 10, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Danger has Jelly Ablett Duncan Menegola S.Selwood Blicavs  through the middle and most expect him to be the #1 SCer.

Pendles has gone 120+ with Swan Beams Sidey and Co running through the mids.

last year pendles went 100+ 18/22 times and his poor scores where 89, 87,82, 94. similar the year before.

last year he went 100+ 8/16 times.

the thing to determine is was this a blip or is this the trend.

129 125 127 124 116 118 107
What do the brokers say "the trend is your friend".    Hope you are wrong Holz, I am starting Pendles and this will be his last year with the BombersRule team so expecting a good farewell.

Oh no a downward trend, no one pick him please, would love him as a POD.

FYI I am starting him and cannot see any reason not too. Absolute lock for me and one of the first picked in my side. The only thing that needs any watching is the finger surgeries in the off season, but by all accounts he is well on track, so not really a worry for me.

This year was only the second time in Pendles career where his SC was lower than his DT, the other was his debut year. Historically he has been +10 on a DT to SC conversion over his career.
The main reason I believe for the drop was his DE dropped from 78% to 74%, most other stats were up even with the injury impacted games.

If you remove the last 3 games of the year where he was clearly hampered by the finger injury and his average would have been 112 and that's not even accounting for the conversion decline.

shaker

Quote from: LordSneeze on January 10, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: crowls on January 10, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Holz on January 10, 2018, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Peter on January 10, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Danger has Jelly Ablett Duncan Menegola S.Selwood Blicavs  through the middle and most expect him to be the #1 SCer.

Pendles has gone 120+ with Swan Beams Sidey and Co running through the mids.

last year pendles went 100+ 18/22 times and his poor scores where 89, 87,82, 94. similar the year before.

last year he went 100+ 8/16 times.

the thing to determine is was this a blip or is this the trend.

129 125 127 124 116 118 107
What do the brokers say "the trend is your friend".    Hope you are wrong Holz, I am starting Pendles and this will be his last year with the BombersRule team so expecting a good farewell.

Oh no a downward trend, no one pick him please, would love him as a POD.

FYI I am starting him and cannot see any reason not too. Absolute lock for me and one of the first picked in my side. The only thing that needs any watching is the finger surgeries in the off season, but by all accounts he is well on track, so not really a worry for me.

This year was only the second time in Pendles career where his SC was lower than his DT, the other was his debut year. Historically he has been +10 on a DT to SC conversion over his career.
The main reason I believe for the drop was his DE dropped from 78% to 74%, most other stats were up even with the injury impacted games.

If you remove the last 3 games of the year where he was clearly hampered by the finger injury and his average would have been 112 and that's not even accounting for the conversion decline.
Pretty sure that he broke his finger against GC R17 and that was his last game for the year so there are a few low scores last year that is a bit of a worry

LordSneeze

Quote from: shaker on January 10, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on January 10, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: crowls on January 10, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Holz on January 10, 2018, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Peter on January 10, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Danger has Jelly Ablett Duncan Menegola S.Selwood Blicavs  through the middle and most expect him to be the #1 SCer.

Pendles has gone 120+ with Swan Beams Sidey and Co running through the mids.

last year pendles went 100+ 18/22 times and his poor scores where 89, 87,82, 94. similar the year before.

last year he went 100+ 8/16 times.

the thing to determine is was this a blip or is this the trend.

129 125 127 124 116 118 107
What do the brokers say "the trend is your friend".    Hope you are wrong Holz, I am starting Pendles and this will be his last year with the BombersRule team so expecting a good farewell.

Oh no a downward trend, no one pick him please, would love him as a POD.

FYI I am starting him and cannot see any reason not too. Absolute lock for me and one of the first picked in my side. The only thing that needs any watching is the finger surgeries in the off season, but by all accounts he is well on track, so not really a worry for me.

This year was only the second time in Pendles career where his SC was lower than his DT, the other was his debut year. Historically he has been +10 on a DT to SC conversion over his career.
The main reason I believe for the drop was his DE dropped from 78% to 74%, most other stats were up even with the injury impacted games.

If you remove the last 3 games of the year where he was clearly hampered by the finger injury and his average would have been 112 and that's not even accounting for the conversion decline.
Pretty sure that he broke his finger against GC R17 and that was his last game for the year so there are a few low scores last year that is a bit of a worry
I thought he was playing injured/with niggles for weeks.

If you are ruling every player out that had a few poor games now and then you wouldn't be able to field a team. Pendles history speaks for itself, to me even if he doesn't go back up to 115 (Which I think he will) he still averages 105 at worst and is a lock end of year premium. Compare to someone like Cripps that people are locking in and he has a lot more risk, less upside and weaker team for only $50k less.

Ricochet


shaker

Quote from: LordSneeze on January 10, 2018, 01:59:51 PM
Quote from: shaker on January 10, 2018, 01:32:41 PM
Quote from: LordSneeze on January 10, 2018, 01:16:17 PM
Quote from: crowls on January 10, 2018, 10:52:31 AM
Quote from: Holz on January 10, 2018, 10:22:20 AM
Quote from: Peter on January 10, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
With Collingwood running Adams, Treloar, Wells, Sidey, De Goey, Maynard through the middle, Pendlebury may not get his 110+, so just can’t start him

Danger has Jelly Ablett Duncan Menegola S.Selwood Blicavs  through the middle and most expect him to be the #1 SCer.

Pendles has gone 120+ with Swan Beams Sidey and Co running through the mids.

last year pendles went 100+ 18/22 times and his poor scores where 89, 87,82, 94. similar the year before.

last year he went 100+ 8/16 times.

the thing to determine is was this a blip or is this the trend.

129 125 127 124 116 118 107
What do the brokers say "the trend is your friend".    Hope you are wrong Holz, I am starting Pendles and this will be his last year with the BombersRule team so expecting a good farewell.

Oh no a downward trend, no one pick him please, would love him as a POD.

FYI I am starting him and cannot see any reason not too. Absolute lock for me and one of the first picked in my side. The only thing that needs any watching is the finger surgeries in the off season, but by all accounts he is well on track, so not really a worry for me.

This year was only the second time in Pendles career where his SC was lower than his DT, the other was his debut year. Historically he has been +10 on a DT to SC conversion over his career.
The main reason I believe for the drop was his DE dropped from 78% to 74%, most other stats were up even with the injury impacted games.

If you remove the last 3 games of the year where he was clearly hampered by the finger injury and his average would have been 112 and that's not even accounting for the conversion decline.
Pretty sure that he broke his finger against GC R17 and that was his last game for the year so there are a few low scores last year that is a bit of a worry
I thought he was playing injured/with niggles for weeks.

If you are ruling every player out that had a few poor games now and then you wouldn't be able to field a team. Pendles history speaks for itself, to me even if he doesn't go back up to 115 (Which I think he will) he still averages 105 at worst and is a lock end of year premium. Compare to someone like Cripps that people are locking in and he has a lot more risk, less upside and weaker team for only $50k less.
Not ruling him out just that Pendles has not thrown up a 70 score let alone a 60 score since 2010 he is 30 years old now ?

Holz

Quote from: Ricochet on January 10, 2018, 02:49:41 PM
You're missing BTB Holz

I have considered all the crow mids. I want to see the gibbs effect first