WXVs Trade Confabulation 2017

[Purple 77]

The WXV Draft Order & Player Lists thread has been updated, including the spreadsheet that is permanently available in the OP of that thread :)

[Torpedo10]

The WXV Draft Order & Player Lists thread has been updated, including the spreadsheet that is permanently available in the OP of that thread :)

Where do you have the Min/Max. Caps on show, Purple?

[Purple 77]

The WXV Draft Order & Player Lists thread has been updated, including the spreadsheet that is permanently available in the OP of that thread :)

Where do you have the Min/Max. Caps on show, Purple?

Must've accidentally deleted it, will re-add it to that thread now

[MajorLazer]

Ok honestly how in the world did pick 35 do anything to even up he trade?

[Torpedo10]

Ok honestly how in the world did pick 35 do anything to even up he trade?

Feel free to post your honest opinion here.  :)

[MajorLazer]

For everyone's sake I won't.

[Torpedo10]

For everyone's sake I won't.

So essentially, your opinion is deemed invalid?  ;)

[Ricochet]

Well we can only go off the comments of those coaches that neggd ML.

One that had Menegola/Crouch averages both at 106 and not 110 & 100, clearing that up should be the difference in that vote.

McInerny was a little over valued in some, but even so the 2nd round pick should be more than enough for him, and some.

Then there was the fwd suggestion for Menegola. Which hopefully broken down enough suggests otherwise

Some suggested we need to give a little more and Moscow need to receive a bit more. Thats why the 2nd rounder was added

One suggested Dublin gave up a little too much for what they received. Another stated the opposite. So Holz can't really please both there

[Levi434]

Premiership Standard
The 1st Edition Article Written by WXV Coach Levi434.

It's abundantly clear why were are all here playing this game of WXV. All of us are here to win a Premiership. To me it seems this trade period teams are slightly tentative to pull the trigger on a few trades. In spite of the fact meow meow's annual trade confabulation thread was opened in April. In spite of the fact that trading is free and unlimited. In spite of the fact a number of coaches have offered 100+ players. We have seen less and less trades each year for the past number.

2016: 108
2015: 108
2014: 152

How many will we get this year? Who knows? We are off to a pretty hectic start but it's fairly obvious that trade discussion has already died down a great deal in comparison to the first few days. If things stay the way they are I'd suspect no more than 70 total.

Now what is the purpose of me writing this up? Firstly, I'd like to encourage a few bolder trades for every team. Secondly, I've spoken to a number of teams, a number of coaches. Unfortunately given the nature of this comp, we don't have a lot of nice things to say about each other.

Two reasons trades are becoming harder to complete:
1.) Player attachment is a killer.
2.) Coaches are getting frustrated at how long it takes to "win" at this thing.

Let's break these down.
Player attachment is a subjective thing. Due to this I will only talk about my own experiences. I do however, know of many coaches who are feeling the same. Elliot Yeo is my favourite player in the game. I've been offered 2 90+ mids for him. I offerred him for the 1st overall pick. Both of which offers I would not do purely because "I love Yeo." "I rate him higher."

Is this fair for me to say?

You tell me what would you rather have?
-A 25 year old back who averages 84. He's scored 4 tons this year.
-A 25 year old back who averages 84. He's scored 4 tons this year.

Some reason the moment we attach a name to this everything changes? It changes enough to the point that if I added a 1st round pick on top of the first back I still can't get the 2nd back?

Part 2. Think about the last video game that you played. How long did it take you to finish it? 10 hours? 2 hours? What about the last time you downloaded a game for your phone? I bet you've deleted 5 times as many apps as you've kept. Yes I understand this is a different sort of game but the concepts still apply. When something isn't working we get angry, frustrated and paranoid. That is normal and fair. Dreamteam though? Supercoach? What about them? All of us play at least one or two of these comps alongside WXV. That's a year long game. A player scores low, we trade him out. A player looks to be improving, we trade him in. Pretty basic stuff we all know right?

World XV has 18 teams multiplied by 6 years that is 108 coaches. Only 5 coaches in history have ever won. What makes us so confident that we can be the 6th? The very fact that there have been coaches in this competition for all 6 years shows everything. There have been faithful individuals who have played for 5-6 seasons. What do they have to show for it? Hardly anything.

A lot of rambling so far right? Here is the information you need. If the 6 years of WXV each team that has won the Grand Final has a number of things in common. I have created an idiot proof list for all of us to look over. This is purely for the purpose to highlight exactly what is needed to win a GF.

Injuries:
On the whole every single Grand Final winning team has had at least 1 injury or DNP from their best team. Some teams up to 4. On average 2. Basically we can derive that this isn't XV's this is actually XVII's. Unless you have some immediate depth to account for injury, then winning this comp may be tough.

Average Captain Score in the Grand Final: 145.5

Every single Grand Final team has made a great call with their captain. Only 1 score has ever been below 140 and that was a 116. Clearly if you don't have a guy who can score 140+ then you ain't winning the Premiership.

Defenders:
Every single Grand Final winning team has at least one player averaging over 84. Every single Grand Final winning team's defence line has averaged 297 or more. That is 74.25 per player. If we take out the 2 outlier teams. 1 of which had Robert Murphy out. Then the average defence was 320.8 or 80.2 per player.

Midfielders:
Every single midfield unit has 3 or more players averaging 88 or more. That is the top 4 mids NOT including utilities. 421.65 is the Premiership Standard midfield. 105+ per mid.

Ruck:
Ever single team bar 1 had a 86+ ruck. The team missing the ruck had Todd Goldstein as an out that week in the GF. Goldstein averaged 106.8 that year. Overall the rucks averaged 101.48. What about teams who had 2 rucks? Out of the data we have there were two teams who had 2 starting rucks obviously playing 1 in the IC. How many of those 2 teams won? That's right 2. Having 2 rucks in your team is a Premiership lock. That reminds me Levi434 has offered Sam Jacobs around. No bites yet...

Forward Line:
Without a doubt the most important line in WXV's history. Every single forward line bar one has 3 or more players averaging 83 or more. 5 out of the 6 have at least 1 player averaging 95.5 or more. The other was Dublin this year who had all 4 of their forwards between 82.8 and 86.1.

Interchange:
Only 3 out of the 12 named interchange players in GF winning teams were NOT mids. The 3? Nick Riewoldt, Sam Jacobs and Aaron Sandilands. On average IC players average 90.6.

The main number:
1349.1
1336.0
1380.1
1377.0
1340.7
1383.6

These are the average total team scores excluding HGA + Captain bonus. That is 1,361 on average. A low of 1336.

There is no need for a conclusion or for results. The numbers and facts speak for themselves. If you don't match up with these then you are NOT winning WXV's.



Since I know you all want it, I've decided to add a a Premiership Standard: Breakdown Sheet for you to determine if your team is Premiership Standard.

D1: At least 88.5.
D2: At least 84, unless D1 is 91.5+. If so 80+.
D3: At least 68.8. 75+ is preferred.
D4: At least 68.8. Preferably 72+
M1: Minimum 101.2. Ideally 114+.
M2: Above 100.
M3: Above 91.
M4: Above 91. Unless M1 is 114+. If so then 88+.
R1: At least 86.6.
F1: 95.5+ Or all 4 fwds above 82.
F2: At least 83.
F3: At least 83.
F4: At least 73.7.
IC1: A 85+ ruck or 86.7+ mid.
IC2: 86.7+ mid. At least a 77 mid.

EMG1: A 68.8+ defender
EMG2: A 76+ mid
EMG3: A 73+ forward

All of these hold true across all Premiership Winning teams. There is option for an D4, F4 or IC2 to be shifted down to a player averaging at least 68.

[Nige]

Two reasons trades are becoming harder to complete:
1.) Player attachment is a killer.
2.) Coaches are getting frustrated at how long it takes to "win" at this thing.

3rd reason: Coaches that have insanely warped valuations of players.

[Holz]

Levi what is this player attachment you speak of?

[Nige]

Levi what is this player attachment you speak of?

It's a concept well known by people with basic human emotions, you wouldn't understand.

[meow meow]

2 rucks = flag?

Vardy available

[Levi434]

Levi what is this player attachment you speak of?

Todd Goldstein for Sam Jacobs.

Both are 29.

Jacobs averages 96 and Goldy 95.

Would you do it?

[meow meow]

Let's get to 200!