EXV: 2017 / 2018 Trade Discussion thread

[LaHug]

I don't like that trade...

Vardy is already 26, Wood turns 24 in a week, Heppell is 25.

Vardy averaged 66 and might not play behind Nic Nat (even if he does play, you can't honestly say you expect him to improve on 66 with Nic Nat back). Wood averaged 65 and didn't make it back from a calf injury after Round 15. Heppell averaged 100 after a year off.

It just seems like Heppell is way more valuable and the trade is too one-sided, even with the number 1 pick. Maybe I'm undervaluing draft picks though.

[LF]

I don't like that trade...

Vardy is already 26, Wood turns 24 in a week, Heppell is 25.

Vardy averaged 66 and might not play behind Nic Nat (even if he does play, you can't honestly say you expect him to improve on 66 with Nic Nat back). Wood averaged 65 and didn't make it back from a calf injury after Round 15. Heppell averaged 100 after a year off.

It just seems like Heppell is way more valuable and the trade is too one-sided, even with the number 1 pick. Maybe I'm undervaluing draft picks though.

Spink  has the other Eagles rucks anyway so makes sense there

[Nige]

I don't like that trade...

Vardy is already 26, Wood turns 24 in a week, Heppell is 25.

Vardy averaged 66 and might not play behind Nic Nat (even if he does play, you can't honestly say you expect him to improve on 66 with Nic Nat back). Wood averaged 65 and didn't make it back from a calf injury after Round 15. Heppell averaged 100 after a year off.

It just seems like Heppell is way more valuable and the trade is too one-sided, even with the number 1 pick. Maybe I'm undervaluing draft picks though.

My opinion as an outsider may not count for a lot but it seems strange that a 25yo mid in his prime is being traded because a team is 'rebuilding'. Surely he captains the young team for the next several years if anything.

[Rids]

I am not sold on that trade either tbh.

A team that played finals selling a 25 year old captain option for 2 'fringe' players around the same age and the number 1 pick in a weak draft.

It makes no sense to me at all especially considering the other trades made this off-season - trading out Dyson Heppell, Tom McDonald, Scott Lycett and Jason Johannisen types for kids and picks. Then bringing in guys like Wood and Vardy...

[Holz]

I don't like that trade...

Vardy is already 26, Wood turns 24 in a week, Heppell is 25.

Vardy averaged 66 and might not play behind Nic Nat (even if he does play, you can't honestly say you expect him to improve on 66 with Nic Nat back). Wood averaged 65 and didn't make it back from a calf injury after Round 15. Heppell averaged 100 after a year off.

It just seems like Heppell is way more valuable and the trade is too one-sided, even with the number 1 pick. Maybe I'm undervaluing draft picks though.

My opinion as an outsider may not count for a lot but it seems strange that a 25yo mid in his prime is being traded because a team is 'rebuilding'. Surely he captains the young team for the next several years if anything.

He sure isn't captaining the team when his captain Averages 117

just to remind people trade confirmation thread is for trade confirmations. ideally if you have an issue with a trade PM me, if not trade

[JBs-Hawks]

Tbh in a 14 team comp and under 25 policy is ridiculous!

Who rules on the trade as Holz is involved?

[Holz]

Tbh in a 14 team comp and under 25 policy is ridiculous!

Who rules on the trade as Holz is involved?

I wait for PMs or in this case posting in the Trade Confirmation thread. All of my trades go to review and then i ask DT people not in Euro.

not saying who is who.

[Nige]

If I was a coach, I'd find the lack of transparency a little alarming.  :-X

[nostradamus]

I don't like this trade either, sorry.

For Spink to be giving up a young captain option, Dyson Heppell, in a team that is rebuilding he should be receiving more in compensation.

Vardy is a good player, but with a horrendous injury history and job security doubts once Nic Nat returns, all he represents is extra back-up to Spinks existing WC rucks.

Wood is a bit of an enigma. Everybody knows how talented this kid is and his injury troubles, but unfortunately in 4 years he still hasn't shown to be hugely fantasy relevant.

Pick 1 is pick 1.

[Spinking]

Hey Folks.

All fair comments, I'm sure it will be taken into consideration and possibly be changed or rejected.

Just wanted to share a thought though. A few of my trades this offseason have been debated, and almost rejected. I've also got feedback that some haven't liked the direction I've taken my team. 

My response is that this is a game, and that trading and drafting are pretty much the only real skill elements to the game. I love the nature of trading, and trying to find hidden gems. I see the game a bit like buying shares - aiming to buy low and sell high, which is why I pretty much always trade for younger players that I feel can break out and increase their value.

I know some of my trades might raise an eyebrow, but I've been successful with this more often than not and trades that initially look like I've lost, end up being a win in time. I'm patient, prepared to watch my players, and that is why I love this game and find it satisfying in a way that regular DT is not.

I appreciate the need to ensure trades are even, to safeguard against teams completely bottoming out, however too much regulation makes it a darn boring game. We nearly shut down the EXV because there was no banter or discussion going on mid season, and if we make it too hard to get a deal done, then we might end up with little to no banter, and everyone's team's remaining the same - in which case might as well just do normal DT.

Not meaning to dispute the fair comments made by others here, just to point out that this is diminishing a part of the game I really love.

[Torpedo10]

My first look at the trade was Pick 1 & Wood alone would be worth Hepp...

[Ziplock]

My first look at the trade was Pick 1 & Wood alone would be worth Hepp...

That was my opinion too. Obviously Wood and Vardy are depth/ cover, but pick 1 weights it out ok for me. I'm a little confused about the team structure as well, but I dont think it's uneven enough to reject it.

[Holz]

well the only post trade confirmations in this thread thing kinda fell apart :P

Its good to see some major activity. I respect everyone's opinions and will listen to them all. As i do with all trades that I or people have issue with i go to coaches outside of the euro who play DT and I trust. Its the same people but i dont say there name so they are not influenced.

Im getting a large range of opinions on this which is very expected as picks are the hardest thing to rate in the comp. They very rarely move.

Just a few points.

1. Spinking is not tanking at all, people seem to have issue with some of his trades. Regardless he has built a very good list and it will certainly compete next year. As long as a team is not tanking they can take their list however they want.

2. Unless you think Heppell will dramatically increase his average he will not be a captain option. He is the 31st ranked mid in the comp which puts him high end M3. There are 50+ mids who got 96 in DT. DT is a midfielders comp. The other thing is Spinking has done a great job of collecting very good mids, Dochers,Whitfield,Neale,Macrae

3. Vardy is clearly a back up to NN but a valuable one, Spink played an OOP alot and this hurt his team. 65 is not that high but its respectable in DT, The low end Starting rucks all average in the low 80s. So vardy is 20 off that which is far better then an OOP which might be 45+ This certainly helps spinkings team.


I have no issue with what spinking is doing in the trade period. He has a very competitive side

Docherty, May, Rich, Weits (Logue, Doodee, Kolo)
Whitfield, Neale, Macrae, JOM (Acres, Lang, Cockatoo)
NN (Vardy)
Miller, Kennedy, Taranto, Jong  (Wright, Taylor, Francis, Mckay )
Parish Hopper

and he has pick 1, 8, 9 in the draft.

I think he is doing a very good job with that list, is being very active. Thats what you want from a coach.

[LF]

My first look at the trade was Pick 1 & Wood alone would be worth Hepp...

That was my opinion too. Obviously Wood and Vardy are depth/ cover, but pick 1 weights it out ok for me. I'm a little confused about the team structure as well, but I dont think it's uneven enough to reject it.

Yep I see absolutely no problem with it either

[LaHug]

Thanks for explaining it all rationally, guys. I guess it's not too bad after all. You know it's an alright trade when some people think one team wins and others think another does.

Good to see some discussion back in Euro too.