WXV Rules Discussion 2017

[Nige]

Part of being a coach is developing a deep enough list to cover injuries and the like. It makes no sense at all that you can flood and attack (because you don't have enough depth) and not get penalised, but you do get penalised for not having a ruck

There are 10 times the amount of defenders and forwards than there are rucks. It's crazy that not having a ruck from such a small player pool incurs such a costly price, but not having enough defenders or forwards has an easy free work around in flood/attack

Pretty good point, I absolutely agree. Coaches should be trying their best to avoid the situation of OOP or a lack of depth where possible.

Also the idea that you get x amount of flood/attacks/pinch hits for the season is solid too. Adds that somewhat strategical element as well if you can only use 5 of any (for example) for the season, especially if most teams have balanced enough lists.

[RaisyDaisy]

I'd like to suggest another topic for discussion

The Rolling Lockout VC

Currently, we can usually do it on Thursday games, but again this rule only benefits those who are lucky enough to have a good enough player playing in that match

Doesn't seem fair that a couple of teams get a free hit with the VC whilst the rest of the teams don't

Either scrap the rolling lockout all together, or if we want to align ourselves with SC of which this comp is based off, then maybe rolling lockout is all round long. That would mean more work for Purps, which is why I think we should just scrap rolling lockouts all together

@GL, I get the point you're making about choosing to attack simply because your forwards are scoring more than defenders, but the same argument could hypothetically be used for ruck. Say we only had Zac Clarke playing, we would rather field a better player than him too. It's not possible at the moment, but the point is that why can we manipulate the forwards and defenders to our advantage but have no choice but to get heavily penalised when it comes to a ruck, a position that has such a small player pool making the hit even worse

Attack, Flood and Pinch Hit. 5 uses in total per year sounds like a good rule to vote on

As for penalties, I'm open to either or, but I will say if we do introduce them then it has to be for all 3 tactics and not just ruck

[Torpedo10]

I'm in full support for the removal of the VC Rolling Lockout.

[Purple 77]

Ah yes, I forgot about the rolling lockout.

Basically I allowed it because I could easily administer it and there was once an art to it. But it seems people have gotten too good at it.

Rolling lockouts are still necessary in some rounds though, but I'm open to banning loopholing.

[Holz]

Ah yes, I forgot about the rolling lockout.

Basically I allowed it because I could easily administer it and there was once an art to it. But it seems people have gotten too good at it.

Rolling lockouts are still necessary in some rounds though, but I'm open to banning loopholing.

ban loophole.

You arent allowed to name anyone on field unless they are at worst an emergency.

You cant name a Captain unless they are in the 22.

solved.

[Nige]

The rolling lockout is definitely necessary in some instances, but I think a ban of loopholing should definitely happen. The problem is that too many people love it too much, so the vote to ban it definitely won't pass.

Again, RD's point is spot on. There's a pretty clear advantage to be had by some with the rolling lockout given the legality of loopholing and I'm not sure that's great when we've been doing our best to equalise the comp.

[meow meow]

I think that there should be a rule if you can have your entire XV playing on Sunday they get a 10% resting bonus across the board.

[RaisyDaisy]

I think that there should be a rule if you can have your entire XV playing on Sunday they get a 10% resting bonus across the board.

Haha, you'd be the only person crazy enough to do that!

And yeah, we need loopholing in certain situations. I was specifically referring to VC, and looping to gain an advantage/take a free hit because if all teams can't do it then it shouldn't be allowed

Just trying to make the comp as fair as possible :)

[Ringo]

Comfortable with loopholing when we have Thursday night games with full lock out on bouynce of Friday night games. ie you can loophole all including c for Thursday players.

If we have Monday Games again next year comfortable with 6 emergencies to cover late outs.

[Toga]

I know it was only briefly raised but I am 100% against a full round rolling lockout. Can't expect everyone to be around all weekend and would give a massive advantage to some coaches over others.

[Purple 77]

I know it was only briefly raised but I am 100% against a full round rolling lockout. Can't expect everyone to be around all weekend and would give a massive advantage to some coaches over others.

Yeah that definitely won't happen, aside from the bye round.

I should re-phrase, I wouldn't support that vote.

[meow meow]

Previous players should automatically return to the list they were on without the bid nonsense. If Fyfe retired tomorrow then came back a year later why should Purps have to pay extra for a player he's already got?

[Purple 77]

Hokay.

I have (ossie made) salary cap values! But please note, the next 4 games will influence these prices. Posting now to illicit discussion. If you don't want a cap, suggest a new one with at least 50 players demonstrating their value, because we will not be getting rid of one entirely.

During the points cap days, the max cap was +5% of the average, and the min cap was -15% of the average. Last year with the salary cap, that was rounded down and up respectively to 9.1 million and 11.4 million. Below is the current cap values with the same percentages applied for the min/max cap.

Team	Total
Beijing Thunder	$11,005,000
Berlin Brewers	$11,196,000
Buenos Aires Armadillos	$9,346,000
Cairo Sands	$9,779,000
Cape Town Cobras	$9,962,000
Christchurch Saints	$11,096,000
Dublin Destroyers	$11,109,000
London Royals	$10,115,000
Mexico City Suns	$10,920,000
Moscow Spetsnaz	$10,378,000
New Delhi Tigers	$11,303,000
New York Revolution	$11,153,000
Pacific Islanders	$11,816,000
PNL Reindeers	$9,824,000
Rio de Janeiro Jaguars	$11,461,000
Seoul Magpies	$10,574,000
Tokyo Samurai	$9,857,000
Toronto Wolves	$10,389,000
AVERAGE	$10,626,833
AVERAGE + 5%	$11,158,175
AVERAGE - 15%	$9,032,808

Everyone kinda sits nicely within that range.

Top 20 Players	Team	Salary
P Dangerfield	Seoul Magpies	$935,000
S Pendlebury	Toronto Wolves	$782,000
L Neale	Beijing Thunder	$740,000
D Hannebery	London Royals	$723,000
T Goldstein	Dublin Destroyers	$723,000
JP Kennedy	Cape Town Cobras	$721,000
D Martin	Dublin Destroyers	$710,000
T Mitchell	Pacific Islanders	$700,000
D Zorko	Beijing Thunder	$681,000
A Treloar	Dublin Destroyers	$680,000
M Priddis	PNL Reindeers	$676,000
J Selwood	New York Revolution	$672,000
R Gray	New Delhi Tigers	$653,000
S Docherty	Moscow Spetsnaz	$653,000
C Ward	Beijing Thunder	$648,000
M Bontempelli	Pacific Islanders	$636,000
L Parker	Tokyo Samurai	$635,000
N Fyfe	Berlin Brewers	$624,000
T Cotchin	Mexico City Suns	$610,000
R Sloane	Dublin Destroyers	$609,000

Top 20 Price Rises	Team	Price	Increase
C Oliver	Seoul Magpies	$412,000	$244,000
S Menegola	Moscow Spetsnaz	$359,000	$186,000
T Mitchell	Pacific Islanders	$700,000	$177,000
S Docherty	Moscow Spetsnaz	$653,000	$174,000
N Newman	Mexico City Suns	$258,000	$158,000
M Kreuzer	Toronto Wolves	$440,000	$157,000
Z Merrett	PNL Reindeers	$595,000	$156,000
M Crouch	New Delhi Tigers	$456,000	$151,000
T Adams	Cairo Sands	$573,000	$150,000
S Ross	New Delhi Tigers	$462,000	$147,000
P Dangerfield	Seoul Magpies	$935,000	$135,000
R Burton	Moscow Spetsnaz	$235,000	$135,000
C Blakely	Christchurch Saints	$322,000	$134,000
T Nankervis	Cape Town Cobras	$274,000	$134,000
R Laird	Pacific Islanders	$522,000	$130,000
H Greenwood	Dublin Destroyers	$230,000	$130,000
Jos Kelly	Seoul Magpies	$444,000	$119,000
E Yeo	Rio de Janeiro Jaguars	$430,000	$116,000
B Grundy	Beijing Thunder	$516,000	$114,000
D Roberton	Cairo Sands	$425,000	$114,000

Top 20 Price Drops	Team	Price	Decrease
J O'Meara	Moscow Spetsnaz	$100,000	-$267,000
T Liberatore	Berlin Brewers	$314,000	-$168,000
D Swallow	Seoul Magpies	$279,000	-$146,000
M Lobbe	PNL Reindeers	$220,000	-$140,000
D Prestia	Cape Town Cobras	$372,000	-$134,000
J McVeigh	Christchurch Saints	$434,000	-$118,000
T Rockliff	Mexico City Suns	$583,000	-$116,000
D Myers	Seoul Magpies	$131,000	-$110,000
T Mzungu	Christchurch Saints	$143,000	-$109,000
N Fyfe	Berlin Brewers	$624,000	-$104,000
S Jacobs	Rio de Janeiro Jaguars	$530,000	-$102,000
P Hanley	Toronto Wolves	$354,000	-$102,000
M Barlow	Pacific Islanders	$456,000	-$98,000
J Thomas	Seoul Magpies	$100,000	-$98,000
S Johnson	Berlin Brewers	$365,000	-$97,000
H Hocking	Cairo Sands	$109,000	-$97,000
R Griffen	Christchurch Saints	$392,000	-$96,000
L Greenwood	Moscow Spetsnaz	$252,000	-$96,000
S Pendlebury	Toronto Wolves	$782,000	-$95,000
M Priddis	PNL Reindeers	$676,000	-$95,000
D Beams	Cairo Sands	$523,000	-$95,000
K Jack	Cape Town Cobras	$472,000	-$95,000

[Purple 77]

ossie made this for everyone, so see all your individual cap values

https://jumpshare.com/v/iH5g4dyBBi14meUKPjMB

[Purple 77]

Personally... I think this looks pretty good, and I would be happy with no changes.