Never Again List

[enzedder]

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just to name a few.Pendles
Hanners
Harbrow
Goldstein
Caddy
Rockliff
O'Meara
Shaw

:'(

Pendles...locked in for next year at a bargain price.
Hanners...brought him in at 538k R5 this year and at a similar price would be happy to roll with him again next year.
Harbrow...will consider him.
Goldstein....surely even you will consider him next year.
Caddy...reckon you got this one right ST.
Rockliff...understand but damned if you do or don't with Rocky.
O'Meara...me too...he needs to show what he can do and for a prolonged period...none of this 2-4 games rubbish.
Shaw...let's see which defenders are available to us in 2018 first. Averaging 86 isn't woeful. He's down this year but at a cheap starting price in 2018 I might be tempted again. How I wish I didn't start with him this year... could have had Docherty R1.

[enzedder]

With regards KPP forwards

I would have to recheck, but I think a significant number  of the top 10 are KPP's.


Both in terms of total points ( reflecting durability ) / and by averages.

Points - Franklin 3rd, Dixon 5th, Westhoff 6th, Cameron 11th, Daniher 12th
Averages - JJK 6th, Franklin 7th, Dixon 10th, Westhoff 12th.

[tor01doc]

No missy Missy

[_wato]

Jeez people are reactive to never again lists.

I would only have a handful in there, not a heap by any means.
Things can change so damn quickly so never say never.

But if I was to name a few they'd relatively only be older guys.
Joey, Boyd, NRoo, Wells, Jobe, Kelly, 90% of the Hawks team, McVeigh, Hurn, Swallow Bob Murphy etc etc

Some guys have fallen way off the radar like Boak and Pridda and most likely won't make a team of mine again.

But guys like Rocky Hanners Pendles Heater Goldy etc are just silly to not pick them again yet even contemplate them.
Personally will look to start Rocky & Pendles next year for sure.

[Samsturmfels]

Tom Lynch from gc. Has been a massive let down. May consider him again however hes gonna have to regain my trust

[tor01doc]

Jeez people are reactive to never again lists.

I would only have a handful in there, not a heap by any means.
Things can change so damn quickly so never say never.

But if I was to name a few they'd relatively only be older guys.
Joey, Boyd, NRoo, Wells, Jobe, Kelly, 90% of the Hawks team, McVeigh, Hurn, Swallow Bob Murphy etc etc

Some guys have fallen way off the radar like Boak and Pridda and most likely won't make a team of mine again.

But guys like Rocky Hanners Pendles Heater Goldy etc are just silly to not pick them again yet even contemplate them.
Personally will look to start Rocky & Pendles next year for sure.

Sort of agree with you _wato but Rocky...

Last four years has missed 4, 6, 5 and 3 this year.

If it is early in the year and you don't have reasonable cover, his average drops away significantly.

Since his best year his averages have gone 135 - 105 - 117 - 111

Not sure he is worth the risk anymore with so many younger premiums coming through - Merrett Danger Dusty JKelly Neale Bont Wines Oiver Crouch Duncan etc

[GCSkiwi]

Jeez people are reactive to never again lists.

But guys like Rocky Hanners Pendles Heater Goldy etc are just silly to not pick them again yet even contemplate them.
Personally will look to start Rocky & Pendles next year for sure.

Yeah I dunno why Pendles is appearing.

But Rocky, I come back to my argument that even I forgot - why are we picking him? Actually? Because of one great year, that's it.
2010 19 games av 85.9
2011 20 games av 113.5
2012 22 games av 97.1
2013 21 games av 109.6
2014 18 games av 131.8
2015 16 games av 101.9
2016 17 games av 111

Everyone is looking for 2014 again. Sure, he's had other good years, I wouldn't complain with a repeat of 2011 either, but the rest of his seasons he hasn't been a stand-out. With a career average of 107 he's a frustrating prospect for someone who isn't performing spectacularly better than anyone else in the mids cohort. and funnily enough if you take out that blinder season, his career average is 103 - exactly what his season average is so far...

[_wato]

Rocky is the one that breaks the rule in my opinion.

When he is up and running and doesn't have shoulder or injury concerns, he is easily the second highest averaging player behind Danger. And that's proven by his scoring when he's able to play without pain and gives himself a good run at it. Each of those years has him look worse than he should've been, had he not injured himself. Yes it's stupid to say that because yes he did get injured and yes he did cost you a trade or 2 but once again and I will always say it, pick the injury prone player if you know he can score when fit. Take the risk. Because as many games that Rocky has lost lost me after his injury he won prior to his injury as well.

If you delve into those years and look at times when he was fit

2017 - 137, 118, 104, 176, 104, 53, 148, 147 before injury ~ avg 123.4
2016 - Before bye played 3 full games for a 97 avg, 2 half games / after injury scored 204, 104, 130, 100, 92, 130, 154, 81, 120, 159, 102, 133 ~ avg 125.75
2015 - Was only able to string together 4 games in a row (3/4 tons) before Rd 15, but played 8 / after injury 126, 101, 50, 135, 115, 145, 122, 146, 152 ~ avg 121.3
2014 - avg 131.8
2013 - avg 110
2012 - avg 97 (Voss decided to play him as a forward)
2011 - avg 113.5

Imagine if Rocky had been able to stay fit in all those years. 2015-17 probably reads of averages >120 and I'd daresay with the form he was in this year he'd be close to a 125 average. And that is why you pick Rocky. When he has confidence, isn't injured and gets a good run at it he is an absolute machine - he tackles, gets insane amounts of contested possessions and clearances and he is un-taggable.

He is the reason I started this year so well and was sitting inside the top 50. It's turned pear shape since but he is a gun. I can't wait to pick him up next year around $550-600k

[GCSkiwi]

Rocky is the one that breaks the rule in my opinion.

When he is up and running and doesn't have shoulder or injury concerns, he is easily the second highest averaging player behind Danger. And that's proven by his scoring when he's able to play without pain and gives himself a good run at it. Each of those years has him look worse than he should've been, had he not injured himself. Yes it's stupid to say that because yes he did get injured and yes he did cost you a trade or 2 but once again and I will always say it, pick the injury prone player if you know he can score when fit. Take the risk. Because as many games that Rocky has lost lost me after his injury he won prior to his injury as well.

If you delve into those years and look at times when he was fit

2017 - 137, 118, 104, 176, 104, 53, 148, 147 before injury ~ avg 123.4
2016 - Before bye played 3 full games for a 97 avg, 2 half games / after injury scored 204, 104, 130, 100, 92, 130, 154, 81, 120, 159, 102, 133 ~ avg 125.75
2015 - Was only able to string together 4 games in a row (3/4 tons) before Rd 15, but played 8 / after injury 126, 101, 50, 135, 115, 145, 122, 146, 152 ~ avg 121.3
2014 - avg 131.8
2013 - avg 110
2012 - avg 97 (Voss decided to play him as a forward)
2011 - avg 113.5

Imagine if Rocky had been able to stay fit in all those years. 2015-17 probably reads of averages >120 and I'd daresay with the form he was in this year he'd be close to a 125 average. And that is why you pick Rocky. When he has confidence, isn't injured and gets a good run at it he is an absolute machine - he tackles, gets insane amounts of contested possessions and clearances and he is un-taggable.

He is the reason I started this year so well and was sitting inside the top 50. It's turned pear shape since but he is a gun. I can't wait to pick him up next year around $550-600k

Yeah, I get that. I think I just fundamentally disagree, based largely on what you've already said - the reasons why don't matter, those are the points he scored. It's like saying Crowley could score 120s if he wasn't playing as a tagger... but he gets played as a tagger 99% of the time, so that's kinda irrelevant. I don't think anyone doubts that Rocky can score well when he's not injured, is playing in the guts, and getting a good run at things. But unfortunately, that's that 1% of the time situation, 99% of the time that isn't happening. You have to consider what the actual output is, not what the potential is. There are heaps of players who had great potential and didn't live up to it...

[bkimm32]

Brought in Rockliff after his injuries and has averaged like 70 for me...

Never again

[Hazza09]

3rd season straight Sloane has burnt me....officially never touching him again.
Don't care if he's scoring 140s 5 weeks in a row.
Never again!

[meow meow]

I can confidently say that I have had it with these two and they will never be picked by me everrrrrr again. I'm so flowering done with Luke Hodge and Matt Boyd.

[tor01doc]

I can confidently say that I have had it with these two and they will never be picked by me everrrrrr again. I'm so flowering done with Luke Hodge and Matt Boyd.

Now now meow meow

How about NRoo?

[PICCOLLO]

With regards KPP forwards

I would have to recheck, but I think a significant number  of the top 10 are KPP's.


Both in terms of total points ( reflecting durability ) / and by averages.

Exactly.

You just don't start with them.  Buy them on the cheap when they bottom out.  Having two to loophole is pretty good.  I'm sure a Lynch/Cameron loop this year would have worked out OK.

[Cannon]

Could probably add Gaz and Beams to the list. Yes they are amazing when they're fit but they're just to injury prone. With the likes of Tmitch, Merrett, Dusty, Kelly and Bont it's a new era.