Top Defenders Poll

[RaisyDaisy]

The football world have known about Shaw for aeons, if it were that easy they would have tagged him every game for the past 10 years. Not suggesting Docherty is a bad pick but I'm always reluctant to part with big cash based on one solid year.

The football word have known about Shaw, but he has never been as damaging as his last 2 years at GWS. All those years of averaging 90's he was solid, but did not have the impact he has now at GWS, which is why he is finally being noticed and given more attention

11 games @ 87 - how does that not concern you?

You'll want both come the end of the year, and I'd say Docherty is a greater chance of losing cash than Shaw is, so Shaw starts for me

I don't really care about cash loss, because the prems I start with I hope I will have all year, but I think Shaw could drop to 500k, even under, if teams continue to make him accountable

Doch on the other hand is entering his prime, and yes he hasn't "backed it up" but his curve is clear and I agree with Mat that he won't get tagged

I'm not saying Doch is a better pick that Heater, because they're both excellent, but I just can't shake Shaw's 2nd half of last year and drop in output

The other option I am considering, and again I don't really see any teams doing this - not start one of Doch/Shaw/Simmo and start the guys on the next tier down (Montags/Rance/Adams/Laird etc)

Feels risky, but could pay off big time

[TomK]

The other option I am considering, and again I don't really see any teams doing this - not start one of Doch/Shaw/Simmo and start the guys on the next tier down (Montags/Rance/Adams/Laird etc)

Feels risky, but could pay off big time

This is what I'm rolling with at the moment and I'm comfortable with it, if some cheaper rookies show up and I can downgrade somewhere I may upgrade one to Shaw/Doch but it should be okay considering I expect Laird and Adams to increase their averages.

[_wato]

I'd be more than glad to vs a team with Doc as a pod over Heater.

[Gigantor]

Did some looking around and Shaw only averaged 87 over the last 11 games of the season. Teams started making him more accountable and I can't see that stopping, so I'm going with Doch instead and will look to pick up Heater when he's cheaper, and if he is still going super well

Where are you getting these numbers from? I'm getting a 95 ave from his last 11, yes thats a big drop from the 117 ave in the first 11 but hardly a disaster for a defender.

[_wato]

Did some looking around and Shaw only averaged 87 over the last 11 games of the season. Teams started making him more accountable and I can't see that stopping, so I'm going with Doch instead and will look to pick up Heater when he's cheaper, and if he is still going super well

Where are you getting these numbers from? I'm getting a 95 ave from his last 11, yes thats a big drop from the 117 ave in the first 11 but hardly a disaster for a defender.

Also getting a 95 average.

118, 121, 46, 82, 92, 82, 129, 58, 88, 103, 124

Still puts him well up there with the top defenders.

[RaisyDaisy]

Did some looking around and Shaw only averaged 87 over the last 11 games of the season. Teams started making him more accountable and I can't see that stopping, so I'm going with Doch instead and will look to pick up Heater when he's cheaper, and if he is still going super well

Where are you getting these numbers from? I'm getting a 95 ave from his last 11, yes thats a big drop from the 117 ave in the first 11 but hardly a disaster for a defender.

Round 14-23 + 2 finals - the last 11 game he has played, not 11 of reg season

[_wato]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

[RaisyDaisy]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

Fair enough

Like I've said though, my point is more around teams putting more attention into him and whether or not it's better to grab him as an upgrade target later

Saving 50k and starting Rance/Laird/Adams etc might be the way to go as they might average the same as Shaw

Don't get me wrong, Shaw is Top 6, but my whole debate here is around starting him at 576k when it's quite clear that teams are putting more attention into him, and that impacted his scoring

[eaglesman]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

Fair enough

Like I've said though, my point is more around teams putting more attention into him and whether or not it's better to grab him as an upgrade target later

Saving 50k and starting Rance/Laird/Adams etc might be the way to go as they might average the same as Shaw

Don't get me wrong, Shaw is Top 6, but my whole debate here is around starting him at 576k when it's quite clear that teams are putting more attention into him, and that impacted his scoring

I can see the attention switching game by game between the damaging Giants rebounding defenders. Shaw Williams Wilson. The latter two with that extra maturity in their games could help shaw escape some of the one v one attention that I'm sure the majority of us would allocate to him if we were opposition coaches.
The Giants aren't a one trick pony down back any more.

I love Zac Williams and by no means is he out of my calculations as a selection in my defensive line for 2017.
I just have docherty Montagna laird and Adams in my defense at this stage.

[HoleMeal]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

Fair enough

Like I've said though, my point is more around teams putting more attention into him and whether or not it's better to grab him as an upgrade target later

Saving 50k and starting Rance/Laird/Adams etc might be the way to go as they might average the same as Shaw

Don't get me wrong, Shaw is Top 6, but my whole debate here is around starting him at 576k when it's quite clear that teams are putting more attention into him, and that impacted his scoring

I can see the attention switching game by game between the damaging Giants rebounding defenders. Shaw Williams Wilson. The latter two with that extra maturity in their games could help shaw escape some of the one v one attention that I'm sure the majority of us would allocate to him if we were opposition coaches.
The Giants aren't a one trick pony down back any more.

I love Zac Williams and by no means is he out of my calculations as a selection in my defensive line for 2017.
I just have docherty Montagna laird and Adams in my defense at this stage.

With this 4 in the back line I would LOVE to see the rest of your team.
If you have Gawn/Goldi in the ruck that's a fair chunk of coin spent.

[eaglesman]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

Fair enough

Like I've said though, my point is more around teams putting more attention into him and whether or not it's better to grab him as an upgrade target later

Saving 50k and starting Rance/Laird/Adams etc might be the way to go as they might average the same as Shaw

Don't get me wrong, Shaw is Top 6, but my whole debate here is around starting him at 576k when it's quite clear that teams are putting more attention into him, and that impacted his scoring

I can see the attention switching game by game between the damaging Giants rebounding defenders. Shaw Williams Wilson. The latter two with that extra maturity in their games could help shaw escape some of the one v one attention that I'm sure the majority of us would allocate to him if we were opposition coaches.
The Giants aren't a one trick pony down back any more.

I love Zac Williams and by no means is he out of my calculations as a selection in my defensive line for 2017.
I just have docherty Montagna laird and Adams in my defense at this stage.

With this 4 in the back line I would LOVE to see the rest of your team.
If you have Gawn/Goldi in the ruck that's a fair chunk of coin spent.

Nope Gawn Martin. But I have a f3 that no one will like.

[HoleMeal]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

Fair enough

Like I've said though, my point is more around teams putting more attention into him and whether or not it's better to grab him as an upgrade target later

Saving 50k and starting Rance/Laird/Adams etc might be the way to go as they might average the same as Shaw

Don't get me wrong, Shaw is Top 6, but my whole debate here is around starting him at 576k when it's quite clear that teams are putting more attention into him, and that impacted his scoring

I can see the attention switching game by game between the damaging Giants rebounding defenders. Shaw Williams Wilson. The latter two with that extra maturity in their games could help shaw escape some of the one v one attention that I'm sure the majority of us would allocate to him if we were opposition coaches.
The Giants aren't a one trick pony down back any more.

I love Zac Williams and by no means is he out of my calculations as a selection in my defensive line for 2017.
I just have docherty Montagna laird and Adams in my defense at this stage.

With this 4 in the back line I would LOVE to see the rest of your team.
If you have Gawn/Goldi in the ruck that's a fair chunk of coin spent.

Nope Gawn Martin. But I have a f3 that no one will like.

Go on then.....

[eaglesman]

I'm happy for everyone to see an 87 avg over last 11. However, I'm not one to include finals if I'm honest. Complete different game compared to the regular season.

Fair enough

Like I've said though, my point is more around teams putting more attention into him and whether or not it's better to grab him as an upgrade target later

Saving 50k and starting Rance/Laird/Adams etc might be the way to go as they might average the same as Shaw

Don't get me wrong, Shaw is Top 6, but my whole debate here is around starting him at 576k when it's quite clear that teams are putting more attention into him, and that impacted his scoring

I can see the attention switching game by game between the damaging Giants rebounding defenders. Shaw Williams Wilson. The latter two with that extra maturity in their games could help shaw escape some of the one v one attention that I'm sure the majority of us would allocate to him if we were opposition coaches.
The Giants aren't a one trick pony down back any more.

I love Zac Williams and by no means is he out of my calculations as a selection in my defensive line for 2017.
I just have docherty Montagna laird and Adams in my defense at this stage.

With this 4 in the back line I would LOVE to see the rest of your team.
If you have Gawn/Goldi in the ruck that's a fair chunk of coin spent.

Nope Gawn Martin. But I have a f3 that no one will like.

Go on then.....

Lycett but I have even been considering nankervis (note I think some love is starting to come for lycett when there wasn't any last week)

[_wato]

Lycett firming for me also eagles, not because you mentioned him but because reports out of WA is that he is firming for a start Round 1.

[jfitty]

Anyone considering Houli? Haven't seen his name anywhere.

Did pretty well in 2015 - but injuries got him last year.

Has one of the better ceilings for a defender, but does tend to waste the ball a little and put in the odd stinker.

I like his bye and POD factor though  ???