Player X v Player Y

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petefisker

Quote from: Bully on March 13, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: petefisker on March 13, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
A juicy one...

Marchbank D3 & Higgins
vs
Jones(Syd) D3 & Steele

Option 1 on both counts

Hmm, how come? I can see Steele outscoring Higgins who has afew ?? And Jones easily outscoring marchbank.

Bully

Quote from: petefisker on March 13, 2017, 11:53:22 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 13, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: petefisker on March 13, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
A juicy one...

Marchbank D3 & Higgins
vs
Jones(Syd) D3 & Steele

Option 1 on both counts

Hmm, how come? I can see Steele outscoring Higgins who has afew ?? And Jones easily outscoring marchbank.

Jones is an yo-yo with his form, his lowest scores last year were 21, 23, 34, 42, 45 & 46. Marchbank should have a more favourable role and better JS.

Steele is a bit of a dark horse but is coming off a season having averaged only 60. It's possible he lifts that to 90 but we're talking long odds if you look at historical player development.

Higgins has proven he can score well and has a 95 season under his belt. The fact he's now a permanent midfielder should see his numbers increase accordingly. There is of course the issue of durability but one has to roll the dice occasionally. His form in the preseason has been top shelf and at worst he should edge over the 500k mark provided he doesn't get injured. The other advantage in going the higher priced player is you can always trade down in round 3 if things look dire.

tommy10

Quote from: petefisker on March 13, 2017, 11:53:22 PM
Quote from: Bully on March 13, 2017, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: petefisker on March 13, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
A juicy one...

Marchbank D3 & Higgins
vs
Jones(Syd) D3 & Steele

Option 1 on both counts

Hmm, how come? I can see Steele outscoring Higgins who has afew ?? And Jones easily outscoring marchbank.
I have Steele atm so I agree he will out score Higgins. Option 2 for me. Have Marchbank at D4,  so Jones/Lloyd are good options for D3

GoLions

Quote from: Bully on March 13, 2017, 10:13:59 PM
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Quote from: Hawker_08 on March 12, 2017, 11:57:22 PM
Laird + Greene vs Lloyd + NRoo

and also Lloyd vs Tuohy. Thanks

For me JPK v Rocky. I know preseason is something not to worry about but both scored rubbish over all 3 games, don't think either of them got over 90. And Rocky had 28 CBA's the other day for an 82. Alarm bells or not?

Thanks for the reply. I am having the same dilemma with mid prems. I have opted for Rocky over JPK for a number of reasons:
1. Rocky has had a strong preseason
2. JPK always a slow starter
3. Rocky's ceiling is too god to ignore and not something u wanna miss out on early in the season
4. Rocky a touch cheaper
5. Rocky has averaged 132 in a season. Imagine if he does something similar to that agian.
Only problem I see is Beams taking his points, his average with beams in the side isn't great I don't think.
As for the mid prems and their JLT performance, I don't think anyone has done particularly well aside Treloar and beams. None of the swans boys have tonned I don't think, Selly had a good game today but starts slow and you know you will be able to pick him up for 500 at byes, sloane hasn't played yet, ablett only one game, gray hasn't played, not considering dusty and neale with fyfe back in the team will suffer a bit I reckon. Not really considering anyone else. My mid atm is Danger, Treloar, Rocky, Bont, Fyfe, Beams, JOM, Swallow. I can suggest Bont because I reckon although he will cop a bit more attention, he scored 97 on the weekend spending 3 quaters forward and scoring 50 and then moves into the mid for the last quater when the games in the ballance and racks up 10 and doubles his score. Just reckon with his ceiling and his ability to go big without racking up more than 30 disposals is uncanny. i know I ranted, hope I helped tho :/

Good summary, the only thing that worries me with Rocky is a potential new role. The coach has stated he will be using him more in a forward capacity and the last time that happened Rocky averaged a shade under 100. The Beams factor is also a worthy concern. For 600k I'd be looking at players who won't deviate in price, Hanners proved that last year, JPK rarely spuds up so won't drop too much. I like the Bont pick but I'm still cautious, hard to believe he's only 20 which is a year earlier than Fyfe's breakout.

I did the maths the other week and Rockys average playing in 18 games with Beams is 101. That is taking out the scores of 0 and 41 he got playing with Beams when Rockliff got injured. Beams average in those games was about 112 by memory.

That's gotta be a deal breaker.
If only it was accurate

Keeper27

got $620.3K to spend on my (M2)

JPK/Hanners/Jelwood/Rocky/Neale/Priddis/Zerrett??

I've got Danger/Treloar/Fyfe/Titch/Beams/JOM/Swallow as my starting 7, just need a super premo to sit there @ M2

MC

Quote from: Keeper27 on March 14, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
got $620.3K to spend on my (M2)

JPK/Hanners/Jelwood/Rocky/Neale/Priddis/Zerrett??

I've got Danger/Treloar/Fyfe/Titch/Beams/JOM/Swallow as my starting 7, just need a super premo to sit there @ M2

Jeez mate, you haven't left a lot of room for error in those mids! Beams + JOM + Swallow as M6-8 is a bit of overkill imo, I think you'll be left very short in other areas and your on-field rookies will let you down massively. My advice (if you're set on having those 3) is to bring a rookie onto the field in mids and boost your stocks elsewhere.

To answer your question, if I had to pick one (irrespective of byes) it would be JPK, followed closely by Hanners/Selwood.

crowls

Quote from: Keeper27 on March 14, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
got $620.3K to spend on my (M2)

JPK/Hanners/Jelwood/Rocky/Neale/Priddis/Zerrett??

I've got Danger/Treloar/Fyfe/Titch/Beams/JOM/Swallow as my starting 7, just need a super premo to sit there @ M2
JPK, Selwood,  Hanners, Priddis in that order

crowls

Quote from: MC on March 14, 2017, 01:59:27 PM
Quote from: Keeper27 on March 14, 2017, 01:25:19 PM
got $620.3K to spend on my (M2)

JPK/Hanners/Jelwood/Rocky/Neale/Priddis/Zerrett??

I've got Danger/Treloar/Fyfe/Titch/Beams/JOM/Swallow as my starting 7, just need a super premo to sit there @ M2

Jeez mate, you haven't left a lot of room for error in those mids! Beams + JOM + Swallow as M6-8 is a bit of overkill imo, I think you'll be left very short in other areas and your on-field rookies will let you down massively. My advice (if you're set on having those 3) is to bring a rookie onto the field in mids and boost your stocks elsewhere.

To answer your question, if I had to pick one (irrespective of byes) it would be JPK, followed closely by Hanners/Selwood.
C'mon MC it is hard enough to make top 1% without giving out good advice the week before round 1.


Totally agree having two cheap rucks and strengthening our other lines will come back and bite us in the butt.  It does look good on paper.  Just feels too risky for my comfort.


2017 has some great value selections and most of us will have some of them.   My preferred structure is 3/5/1/3 for keepers and that does not include Beams JOM, Swallow, or Roughy as keepers.   My rookies are 4/4/1/4   that leaves 4 mid pricers.   1/2/1/1.
Not saying this will remain the same after we see the teams but is the structure I am working on.   

Keeper27

Quote from: MC on March 14, 2017, 01:59:27 PM
Jeez mate, you haven't left a lot of room for error in those mids! Beams + JOM + Swallow as M6-8 is a bit of overkill imo, I think you'll be left very short in other areas and your on-field rookies will let you down massively.

thanks for the advice, i actually like my setup.
DEF - 2/0/6 (Rance/Laird)
MIDS - 5/3/3
RUC - 1/1/1 (Gawn/Sandi)
FWD - 2/2/4 (Dahl/Buddy/Higs/Nank)

auscoyote


If ya had to pick two out of:
Ryder
Roughy
Nankervis


hawkers65

Quote from: auscoyote on March 14, 2017, 04:05:14 PM

If ya had to pick two out of:
Ryder
Roughy
Nankervis

Roughy and Nank

hawkers65

Pick 2 of:

Shaw, Adams and Laird

(Already have Treloar/Pendles in the mids and Hampton/Otten in def)

Bully

Quote from: hawkers65 on March 14, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Pick 2 of:

Shaw, Adams and Laird

(Already have Treloar/Pendles in the mids and Hampton/Otten in def)

Shaw & Laird

auscoyote

Quote from: Bully on March 14, 2017, 04:12:14 PM
Quote from: hawkers65 on March 14, 2017, 04:08:02 PM
Pick 2 of:

Shaw, Adams and Laird

(Already have Treloar/Pendles in the mids and Hampton/Otten in def)

Shaw & Laird
Yep agree

MC

Quote from: auscoyote on March 14, 2017, 04:05:14 PM

If ya had to pick two out of:
Ryder
Roughy
Nankervis

Rough Ryder has (have) the runs on the board! Nankervis has barely scored above 80, let alone averaged it! Only point of contention for me with Ryder is his early bye round, though his discount might offset that just enough.