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Started by RaisyDaisy, December 12, 2016, 12:27:07 AM

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Bully

The only thing that keeps me from trading Nank is the DPP, other than that I'd be punting him for Greene/Billings/Yeo/Ryder

LordSneeze

Quote from: Gigantor on June 26, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: LordSneeze on June 26, 2017, 11:00:58 AM
Id be hesitant on getting rid of Nank

R13 he was well down on posessions, and had quite a few clangers and got a corky.
R14 23 hitouts and a goal for 62 points. Low HOTA. Was against Kruz the form ruck of the comp.

Jumping off after 2 poor matches is too soon.
Has scored over 100 5/12 and over 90 7/12. He is almost the perfect player to use as a loophole.

4 of those 100's and 5 of the 90's were in the first 5 rounds

rds 1-5 ave 112.6 high 127 low 91

rds 6-14 ave 78.6 high 100 low 62

thats more than just 2 poor games

He is still the 12th highest averaging forward for the year and averaging the same as Billings. The difference is Billings is in form and Nankervis isn't, yet because he is in form he is almost $100k more expensive, the form can turn around at any stage. If I was upgrading him it would need to be to a Yeo, Heeney or Macrae. 

If you have him at F4-5 id agree that he needs to go as 80 average isn't good enough for those positions, but if you have him at F6-7 then you can probably use him as a loophole and hope he returns to the 95-100 mark.

RaisyDaisy

Nank will be my F6 next week, so I can live with that

Gigantor

Quote from: LordSneeze on June 26, 2017, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: Gigantor on June 26, 2017, 11:20:00 AM
Quote from: LordSneeze on June 26, 2017, 11:00:58 AM
Id be hesitant on getting rid of Nank

R13 he was well down on posessions, and had quite a few clangers and got a corky.
R14 23 hitouts and a goal for 62 points. Low HOTA. Was against Kruz the form ruck of the comp.

Jumping off after 2 poor matches is too soon.
Has scored over 100 5/12 and over 90 7/12. He is almost the perfect player to use as a loophole.

4 of those 100's and 5 of the 90's were in the first 5 rounds

rds 1-5 ave 112.6 high 127 low 91

rds 6-14 ave 78.6 high 100 low 62

thats more than just 2 poor games

He is still the 12th highest averaging forward for the year and averaging the same as Billings. The difference is Billings is in form and Nankervis isn't, yet because he is in form he is almost $100k more expensive, the form can turn around at any stage. If I was upgrading him it would need to be to a Yeo, Heeney or Macrae. 

If you have him at F4-5 id agree that he needs to go as 80 average isn't good enough for those positions, but if you have him at F6-7 then you can probably use him as a loophole and hope he returns to the 95-100 mark.

He is the 47th ranked forward when ranked by 5 game average, thats what worries me

But you are right in saying its only worth upgrading him if you are missing one of the top few forwards, plus there's the risk of copping a ruck donut if he's your cover

To be honest I'm probably a bit more free with the idea of trading him because I will still have Ryder

I'm planning on trading him to Gawn next week, there is risk involved but I think it's worth the chance of being 200-250 pts better off (assuming Nank ave 80, Gawn 110)
Obviously losing a trade could backfire or Nank could average a lot closer to Gawn but that's all part of the game :)

Judd Magic

I have Ryder and Witts as my R1 and R2.

Nank is my F5 with Greenwood/Lynch as my F6.

I brought Lynch in 3 weeks ago and have hated his last 2 weeks that I just feel like flowering him off before he scores another 30 odd.  :'(

Popular opinion around here seems to be Nank > Gawn next week but is Ryder and Witts ruck combo really that bad if I can say upgrade Lynch to Greene/Billings and have a forward line of Yeo, Dahl, Heeney, Macrae, Greene/Billings, Greenwood (Nank, Brown)

$119,000 in the kitty.

Huttabito

Starting to wonder if Gawn is actually worth it. His opposition on the run home is Sydney, Carlton, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, GWS, St Kilda, Brisbane and Collingwood.

Will be up against arguably the better of the rucks in the comp after his BE drops this week against Sydney and will face Kruezer, Jacobs, Ryder, Goldstein, Mumford, Martin and Grundy on the run home.

Looking at last year, other than the Rd3 game against North where he scored 172, he really only bullied the teams who were short on top end rucks which dragged his average up to 118. Take out the games against Port (Trengrove), Gold Coast (Currie), Eagles (Lycett), Fremantle (Griffin), Richmond (cooked Maric) and Hawthorn (McEvoy/Ceglar), he only just ticked over an average of 100 - and this includes the 172 against Goldstein.

If he's only gonna have 100 against the best rucks in the comp, then I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade on Witts who is averaging 94 to Gawn for an extra 6 points. I would rather use the trade and cash to bring in Greene/Heeney and push Nank/Lynch to loophole at F6/7.

With 6 trades left, Stef/Witts in the ruck, Gawn might need to be passed on.

WaspMan

I have Nank and Sandi with no cover so Gawn in ASAP for me, hoping Kruz has a shocker and drops a bit on the run home.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Huttabito on June 27, 2017, 02:49:56 PM
Starting to wonder if Gawn is actually worth it. His opposition on the run home is Sydney, Carlton, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, GWS, St Kilda, Brisbane and Collingwood.

Will be up against arguably the better of the rucks in the comp after his BE drops this week against Sydney and will face Kruezer, Jacobs, Ryder, Goldstein, Mumford, Martin and Grundy on the run home.

Looking at last year, other than the Rd3 game against North where he scored 172, he really only bullied the teams who were short on top end rucks which dragged his average up to 118. Take out the games against Port (Trengrove), Gold Coast (Currie), Eagles (Lycett), Fremantle (Griffin), Richmond (cooked Maric) and Hawthorn (McEvoy/Ceglar), he only just ticked over an average of 100 - and this includes the 172 against Goldstein.

If he's only gonna have 100 against the best rucks in the comp, then I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade on Witts who is averaging 94 to Gawn for an extra 6 points. I would rather use the trade and cash to bring in Greene/Heeney and push Nank/Lynch to loophole at F6/7.

With 6 trades left, Stef/Witts in the ruck, Gawn might need to be passed on.

I personally think Witts to Gawn is a waste. Witts has been sensational this year and is very good for R2

Yeah you might squeeze out a few extra points with Gawn, but is a trade worth it? I don't think so

I'll be grabbing Gawn because he becomes my R1 with Witts as R2 and Nank at F6

Huttabito

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 27, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
I personally think Witts to Gawn is a waste. Witts has been sensational this year and is very good for R2

Yeah you might squeeze out a few extra points with Gawn, but is a trade worth it? I don't think so

I'll be grabbing Gawn because he becomes my R1 with Witts as R2 and Nank at F6
Which is the way I'm leaning towards at the moment. The last 7 weeks he's gone 115, 97, 98, 96, 107, 72 and 99. The 72 was against Kruezer and with a 7 week average of 98 is not far off what I'd be expecting Gawn to knock out against his upcoming opponents.

Think for me, priority is to push one of Lynch/Nank to the bench loophole where possible.

Guess it all boils down to Gawn + Nank vs Witts +Greene and right now, the later looks more appealing.

Judd Magic

Quote from: Huttabito on June 27, 2017, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 27, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
I personally think Witts to Gawn is a waste. Witts has been sensational this year and is very good for R2

Yeah you might squeeze out a few extra points with Gawn, but is a trade worth it? I don't think so

I'll be grabbing Gawn because he becomes my R1 with Witts as R2 and Nank at F6
Which is the way I'm leaning towards at the moment. The last 7 weeks he's gone 115, 97, 98, 96, 107, 72 and 99. The 72 was against Kruezer and with a 7 week average of 98 is not far off what I'd be expecting Gawn to knock out against his upcoming opponents.

Think for me, priority is to push one of Lynch/Nank to the bench loophole where possible.

Guess it all boils down to Gawn + Nank vs Witts +Greene and right now, the later looks more appealing.

Would you say that its not worth getting Gawn in if you have Ryder and Witts as your ruck combo RD?

I'd rather flower off Lynch to Greene to be honest.  ???

And I have Nank at F7, Greenwood F6 which I think is fine.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Judd Magic on June 27, 2017, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: Huttabito on June 27, 2017, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 27, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
I personally think Witts to Gawn is a waste. Witts has been sensational this year and is very good for R2

Yeah you might squeeze out a few extra points with Gawn, but is a trade worth it? I don't think so

I'll be grabbing Gawn because he becomes my R1 with Witts as R2 and Nank at F6
Which is the way I'm leaning towards at the moment. The last 7 weeks he's gone 115, 97, 98, 96, 107, 72 and 99. The 72 was against Kruezer and with a 7 week average of 98 is not far off what I'd be expecting Gawn to knock out against his upcoming opponents.

Think for me, priority is to push one of Lynch/Nank to the bench loophole where possible.

Guess it all boils down to Gawn + Nank vs Witts +Greene and right now, the later looks more appealing.

Would you say that its not worth getting Gawn in if you have Ryder and Witts as your ruck combo RD?

I'd rather flower off Lynch to Greene to be honest.  ???

And I have Nank at F7, Greenwood F6 which I think is fine.

Move Lynch to F7 and upgrade Nank to Gawn, meaning Ryder moves to forwards?

batt

Quote from: Huttabito on June 27, 2017, 02:49:56 PM
Starting to wonder if Gawn is actually worth it. His opposition on the run home is Sydney, Carlton, Adelaide, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne, GWS, St Kilda, Brisbane and Collingwood.

Will be up against arguably the better of the rucks in the comp after his BE drops this week against Sydney and will face Kruezer, Jacobs, Ryder, Goldstein, Mumford, Martin and Grundy on the run home.

Looking at last year, other than the Rd3 game against North where he scored 172, he really only bullied the teams who were short on top end rucks which dragged his average up to 118. Take out the games against Port (Trengrove), Gold Coast (Currie), Eagles (Lycett), Fremantle (Griffin), Richmond (cooked Maric) and Hawthorn (McEvoy/Ceglar), he only just ticked over an average of 100 - and this includes the 172 against Goldstein.

If he's only gonna have 100 against the best rucks in the comp, then I'm not sure I can justify the upgrade on Witts who is averaging 94 to Gawn for an extra 6 points. I would rather use the trade and cash to bring in Greene/Heeney and push Nank/Lynch to loophole at F6/7.

With 6 trades left, Stef/Witts in the ruck, Gawn might need to be passed on.
Excluding that Goldy game is silly though.  He did that.

I think he is absolutely worth a trade and will be likely 20ppg better than Witts from here. 

Naismith, Kruez, Jacobs, Ryder, Goldy (may be Preuss by that stage), Mummy, Longer, Stef, Grundy.  Likely 4 tougher duels and 4 easier duels in there.

You play a very dangerous game betting against good players, no matter how you view their draw.  May be overthinking it.

Bully

Witts has been great as a rookie but has hit his ceiling, the 90's have been good up until now but I'm looking for some monster scores from this point on. Just as a reminder, Gawn's top 5 scores last year were 172, 168, 167, 160 & 151. Witts won't ever reach those heights so I'm happy to go head to head with him from this point on.

Judd Magic

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 27, 2017, 07:24:43 PM
Quote from: Judd Magic on June 27, 2017, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: Huttabito on June 27, 2017, 04:29:35 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on June 27, 2017, 04:16:52 PM
I personally think Witts to Gawn is a waste. Witts has been sensational this year and is very good for R2

Yeah you might squeeze out a few extra points with Gawn, but is a trade worth it? I don't think so

I'll be grabbing Gawn because he becomes my R1 with Witts as R2 and Nank at F6
Which is the way I'm leaning towards at the moment. The last 7 weeks he's gone 115, 97, 98, 96, 107, 72 and 99. The 72 was against Kruezer and with a 7 week average of 98 is not far off what I'd be expecting Gawn to knock out against his upcoming opponents.

Think for me, priority is to push one of Lynch/Nank to the bench loophole where possible.

Guess it all boils down to Gawn + Nank vs Witts +Greene and right now, the later looks more appealing.

Would you say that its not worth getting Gawn in if you have Ryder and Witts as your ruck combo RD?

I'd rather flower off Lynch to Greene to be honest.  ???

And I have Nank at F7, Greenwood F6 which I think is fine.

Move Lynch to F7 and upgrade Nank to Gawn, meaning Ryder moves to forwards?

Alot of the Bigfooty folk are suggesting I do the same.

Looks like its the way to go mate.  ;D

RaisyDaisy

^^ They must lurk here and copy what I say :P