Which Rucks?

[petefisker]

Officially back to the drawing board with R2.
How long will doggies roughead be out for? 8 weeks? I'm leaning towards Tom Boyd as a viable option now.

[Keeper27]

with injury setbacks and possible shared duties, i think my initial Ruck set up of Gawn/Grundy is the way to go.
set and forget.

[Grufflez]

So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

To be honest i am a little concerned, particularly with North Melbourne's rebuild starting, as like most players Goldy scores less in loses.

I am still thinking about a cheap R2/R3 Sandilands/Witts combo atm.

Mumford is interesting after posting his first solid 21 game season last year, anyone know how often Rory Lobb chopped Mummy out?
I can really see a Martin or Mumford matching Goldies reduced output this year, and with a cloud over Goldsteins best past quality (durability) this might be the year to back Mummy in, thoughts?

[RaisyDaisy]

Haven't changed from Gawn Sandi since day dot 

Locked and loaded

[Holz]

So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

We are backing him on how fantastic a ruck he is.

2011: 113
2012: 93 but this was destroyed by Hmac sharing ruck duties.
2013: 113
2014: 107 again playing with an injury for a month remove that and 113+
2015: 128
2016: 108 playing with a bad knee for most of the year. he averaged 115 for the first 10 even with a knee knock causing a 50.

so basically in the last 6 years playing as sole ruck he has averaged a minimum of 113 (recently its much higher). He has played through injury a few times which has hurt his average.

Im not worried about his ankle if he hurt his ankle round 5 he would play through it and average 95-105. Its fantastic that this happend during the preseason and not the season.

also north is not going to be that bad he averaged 113 when they finished 10th and he is a better player now then he was then. Yes north lost some experience but firito and petrie arent that big a loss.

yes Wells Boomer NDS out hurts but we do have some talent looking to break in.

I reckon backing a player in on 6 years of history is a smarter move then saying a top 10 player will stop being elite because of a minor ankle injury add to the fact he no longer has to have 3rd man's up jumping all over him.

I dont understand how you can question bascially the most solid ruck premium since Dean Cox but then consider Sandilands a 34 year old riddled with injury, mumford a guy called mummy because he is always wrapped up in bandages.

Goldy's best quality isnt his durability its his scoring.

[LordSneeze]

So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

To be honest i am a little concerned, particularly with North Melbourne's rebuild starting, as like most players Goldy scores less in loses.

I am still thinking about a cheap R2/R3 Sandilands/Witts combo atm.

Mumford is interesting after posting his first solid 21 game season last year, anyone know how often Rory Lobb chopped Mummy out?
I can really see a Martin or Mumford matching Goldies reduced output this year, and with a cloud over Goldsteins best past quality (durability) this might be the year to back Mummy in, thoughts?

Remember that there is a set number of points allocated to each match. Who else in the North team will actually score enough to take points away from Goldy?

Wells Boomer NDS all gone means there are points to be allocated to other players. I cannot see Goldy being any worse. Only concern is injury and missing games, but historically he has played through injuries.

[Holz]

So who thinks that North Melbourne's decline, he's recent ankle problem, and he's reported knee issues from last season are all pointing to a good year for Todd Goldstein? 588k isn't cheap either.

So we are backing him in purely on history and hoping that changes bounce off him like superman?

To be honest i am a little concerned, particularly with North Melbourne's rebuild starting, as like most players Goldy scores less in loses.

I am still thinking about a cheap R2/R3 Sandilands/Witts combo atm.

Mumford is interesting after posting his first solid 21 game season last year, anyone know how often Rory Lobb chopped Mummy out?
I can really see a Martin or Mumford matching Goldies reduced output this year, and with a cloud over Goldsteins best past quality (durability) this might be the year to back Mummy in, thoughts?

Remember that there is a set number of points allocated to each match. Who else in the North team will actually score enough to take points away from Goldy?

Wells Boomer NDS all gone means there are points to be allocated to other players. I cannot see Goldy being any worse. Only concern is injury and missing games, but historically he has played through injuries.

i dont know what the best stat is to see who wins the ball for the ruck but im going with 3 indicators (center clearances,contested possessions and stopages.

the number is where they rank in AFL

22 Swallow
32 Ben Cunnington
40 Jack Ziebel
49 Daniel Wells

22 Ben Cunnington
24 Andrew Swallow
38 Jack Ziebel
48 Daniel Wells

9 Ben Cunnington
11 Daniel Wells
39 Andrew Swallow
46 Jack Ziebel

so based on that it pretty clear to me Cunner Swallow and JZ are his main guys and he still has them. Boomer NDS really shouldnt affect him too much, Wells will abit but there are some good guys coming in.

just an interesting fact the games Wells missed Goldy scored 105 173 99 110.

He will be fine.

[RaisyDaisy]

Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

[LordSneeze]

Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Might all come down to rookie availability for me. If I need cash to for rookies or MP, then I might need to go Sandi.
Id likely drop Gawn though as I can see him dropping slightly, where I can only see Goldy improving.

[crowls]

Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Might all come down to rookie availability for me. If I need cash to for rookies or MP, then I might need to go Sandi.
Id likely drop Gawn though as I can see him dropping slightly, where I can only see Goldy improving.

With Raisy on this one.   

[Holz]

Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Thats delusional Sandi's best every year was 114 7 years ago at the age of 27.

He hasnt reached 108 in the last 4 years and is currently 34 battling through a calf strain injury and is no longer playing for an elite team.

yeah he went 107 2 years ago but this was a 32 year old playing for the best team in the comp.

at best you can expect 100-105 thats assuming he doesnt get injured.

but if we assume goldy doesnt get injured (much much higher chance) then history says expect around 115.

so i see it as high chance of 110-115 with a low chance of maybe 95-105 or

low chance of 100-105 with a high chance of sub 100 or trade out. 

[RaisyDaisy]

Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Thats delusional Sandi's best every year was 114 7 years ago at the age of 27.

He hasnt reached 108 in the last 4 years and is currently 34 battling through a calf strain injury and is no longer playing for an elite team.

yeah he went 107 2 years ago but this was a 32 year old playing for the best team in the comp.

at best you can expect 100-105 thats assuming he doesnt get injured.

but if we assume goldy doesnt get injured (much much higher chance) then history says expect around 115.

so i see it as high chance of 110-115 with a low chance of maybe 95-105 or

low chance of 100-105 with a high chance of sub 100 or trade out.

I think you're the delusional one

2016 - 5 games, copped NicNat knee which was just bad luck
2015  - 21 games at 107.8
2014 - 21 games at 108

And I don't buy this age crap for a second. He's part of the leadership team, has trained all pre season except the last week or two with calf

Ablett, NROO, Montags, Hodge, Gibbo, Shaw, Priddis, Boyd, Bob, Smitch the list goes on there's heaps of guns playing in their mid 30's

Besides last years unfortunate NN knee to ribs, his 2 seasons prior where 108 missing 1 game a year

I'll take that for 300k thanks

[RaisyDaisy]

Sandi + Ryder vs Goldy + FWD rookie

Sandi 105
Ryder 90 (conservative)

195, 200 not out of the question

Goldy 110
Rookie 65

175

Not to mention Ryder could be good enough for F6 all year and provide year round ruck cover

[RaisyDaisy]

And while were talking rucks, I keep hearing more and more good things coming out of Richmond about Nank

Another article today about how great he is going, and even though he only played a handful of games last year he was actually Ranked #1 for HOTA

Ryder vs Nank + 50k?

Reckon the next 2 weeks JLT will be the decider, but going with Ryder for now as he has the runs on the board

[Holz]

Agree, can't see any reason why Goldy won't average 105-115

I just think Sandi can go 105-110 for 250k cheaper, which I prefer

Thats delusional Sandi's best every year was 114 7 years ago at the age of 27.

He hasnt reached 108 in the last 4 years and is currently 34 battling through a calf strain injury and is no longer playing for an elite team.

yeah he went 107 2 years ago but this was a 32 year old playing for the best team in the comp.

at best you can expect 100-105 thats assuming he doesnt get injured.

but if we assume goldy doesnt get injured (much much higher chance) then history says expect around 115.

so i see it as high chance of 110-115 with a low chance of maybe 95-105 or

low chance of 100-105 with a high chance of sub 100 or trade out.

I think you're the delusional one

2016 - 5 games, copped NicNat knee which was just bad luck
2015  - 21 games at 107.8
2014 - 21 games at 108

And I don't buy this age crap for a second. He's part of the leadership team, has trained all pre season except the last week or two with calf

Ablett, NROO, Montags, Hodge, Gibbo, Shaw, Priddis, Boyd, Bob, Smitch the list goes on there's heaps of guns playing in their mid 30's

Besides last years unfortunate NN knee to ribs, his 2 seasons prior where 108 missing 1 game a year

I'll take that for 300k thanks

every single player you named are ball winners and mainly mids.

they arent 2.11cm 120kg even the great Dean Cox tappered off abit.


29: 122
30: 112
31: 107
32: 89

what your asking sandilands to do is basically never been done before. add in to the fact he is the biggest elite ruck the game has ever had coming off an injury.

I guess we will see, its certainly possibly sandilands can average 105-110. But its 1 in a 100, there still a shot so you could be right.