Which Rucks?

[_wato]

Got some interesting info today scanning across Fantasy Freako Twitter and BF forums.

Hitout win % from 2016 - Sandi 62%, NN 58%, Gawn 54%, Hampson 52%, Goldy 48%
HOTA % from 2016 - Nank 38%, Gawn 34%, NN 33%, Mummy 33%, Naismith 32%

Then with the rule changes in play, a quick look at opposition % of third man up from 2016

Gawn - 10% of his nearly 1200 contests had opposition third man up, only Michael Naismith West higher.

Teammate % of third man up - Gawn, NN, Goldy, Lycett among the lowest at 2% or thereabouts. Highest was Hickey, Stanley, Smith

What does all this mean?
Gawn is by far a lock
Hickey very interesting considering high teammate % third man up despite high HOA rates.
Goldy doesn't look good on these stats. Grundy was ranked 20th in hitout win %.
Mummy could be an option - ranked third in hitout average (34.74) and third in HOTA (33.3%) and had Griffen and Ward who finished top 10 in players who went third man up... who will outmuscle him, he's a giant.

Just food for thought !!

[Mantis]

What are peoples thoughts on Mumford?. I know he's injury prone but can see Gawn and Mumford really benefitting from this new rule. Both beasts and great tap ruckman. Sandi should also benefit from the new rule but I'm more worried about injury with him than Mumford

[Holz]

Another way to look at the stats is gawn was the 2nd best hitouts and 3rd most HTA. If he slips a lottle he will drop average.

Goldy by his standards wasnt very high in either category yet averaged 108. So that means if he goes back to elite in these categories he has a big scope to increase.

Goldy Gawn locked.

[Mongoose528]

Another way to look at the stats is gawn was the 2nd best hitouts and 3rd most HTA. If he slips a lottle he will drop average.

Goldy by his standards wasnt very high in either category yet averaged 108. So that means if he goes back to elite in these categories he has a big scope to increase.

Goldy Gawn locked.

Set and forget for season 2017!

[RaisyDaisy]

I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

[crowls]

I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

whe looked good tonight/   not sure how it converted to points though.
will sandi stay upright long enough to make stepping stone to goldy/grundy mummy/stef?

[AaronKirk]

I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

I have Gawn/Sandi and Witts R3. Happy to go with that till we see any evidence that Nicholls will be playing come the start of the season.

[Ringo]

Nth Melbourne: "He's going to give himself every chance to play a game" Leigh Tudor on Braydon Preuss' efforts

Looks like we may have a R3 who is going to make money and be a back up to Goldy. Handy loophole as well with North playing 8 Sunday Games and 4 Saturday Night games - not quite as good as Strnadica but not bad at all.

[shaker]

Nth Melbourne: "He's going to give himself every chance to play a game" Leigh Tudor on Braydon Preuss' efforts

Looks like we may have a R3 who is going to make money and be a back up to Goldy. Handy loophole as well with North playing 8 Sunday Games and 4 Saturday Night games - not quite as good as Strnadica but not bad at all.

Only thing is he is not DPP so if he is not playing and R1 or 2 miss a week even if you have a R/F in your FWD's or plan to trade one in he is no good

[Holz]

Nth Melbourne: "He's going to give himself every chance to play a game" Leigh Tudor on Braydon Preuss' efforts

Looks like we may have a R3 who is going to make money and be a back up to Goldy. Handy loophole as well with North playing 8 Sunday Games and 4 Saturday Night games - not quite as good as Strnadica but not bad at all.

have seriously considered him the loss of DPP is big though. Certainly one to consider if you have Goldy and essentially it means you get 21 games from your R1

[sammy123]

I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

I have Gawn/Sandi and Witts R3. Happy to go with that till we see any evidence that Nicholls will be playing come the start of the season.

what if currie plays?

[Ringo]

I've had Gawn and Sandi since Dec and haven't changed once

What to do for cover is killing me though!

Ryder/Lycett as F3, or Witts/Vardy as R3, meaning I don't need either Ryder or Lycett taking up a fwd spot. Witts/Vardy can be downgraded to Strnadica once they've made money and provided enough cover

No idea which way to go

Besides Dahl and Macrae, I don't like any of the other 460k+ forwards to start with, so it's either Ryder/Lycett or Heeney

Other option is to start Witts/Vardy R3 and then go with WHE/Turner/Glugg/Bowes etc from F3 onwards, then load up other lines

I have Gawn/Sandi and Witts R3. Happy to go with that till we see any evidence that Nicholls will be playing come the start of the season.

what if currie plays?

Because of Days injury this from Rocket in his press conference:
Gold Coast: "By getting injuries Dan was only meant to play a half.. he's had some tendinitis in his knee" Rodney Eade on Dan Currie
Currie did only spend 69% TOG compared to Witts 66 so obviusly some concern there for Witts if Currie is fit.

[crowls]

Ringo,  what is the likelihood of archie and stef playing together for most of the year.   Secondly what impact do you see archie having on stef scoring if he plays.     At the moment I need stef to play by himself.   Means I can go without R/F in fwd line.     Cannot afford Goldy without changing my other lines.    Carried Stef all of last year and it hurt like hell.   Do not want another year of it.    If desperate can start Sandi and go with whatever R3 is getting a game I suppose.   

[Ringo]

Ringo,  what is the likelihood of archie and stef playing together for most of the year.   Secondly what impact do you see archie having on stef scoring if he plays.     At the moment I need stef to play by himself.   Means I can go without R/F in fwd line.     Cannot afford Goldy without changing my other lines.    Carried Stef all of last year and it hurt like hell.   Do not want another year of it.    If desperate can start Sandi and go with whatever R3 is getting a game I suppose.   

From what I observed in JLT 1 they appeared to be sharing the ruck duties (Their combined TOG adds up to 100% which confirms observation) with resting time on bench. Whether we can afford that luxury in seasons proper I doubt so expect Stef to be sole ruck. Neither of them imo are good enough to be a resting forward when we have others available. Schache, Hipwood, Close, Freeman and Walker all options up forward. 

[Fid]

Goldy Gawn locked for me as well.

Still considering Ryder as a forward option as well