Which Rucks?

[RaisyDaisy]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

13, 12, and 7 games the three years before that though...I'd be locking him in of course, but his injury history is a cause of concern

How far do we look back though?

Besides getting his ribs busted he's been fit and playing for years so that's why he is a lock for me

[Big Mac]

The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.
le say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.

Yes, everybody do this please

I kinda hope people dont as it helps me win the 50k.

show me your tema and ill show you where the 150k could be used elsewhere.

If the fact that Gawn averaged 23 ppg over Grundy last year isn't enough reason then how about the fact that he scored 160+ on 5 occasions. Great VC option. I don't deny that Grundy will probably improve but I can't see any situation in which Gawn declines. He will still be better than Grundy, so by starting with Grundy you're automatically not going to have the top 2 rucks by end of season without wasting a trade.

[fasttrack13]

The solution is clear. Pick Goldy and Grundy.
le say its tough yeah it is for north but not for goldy.

Yes, everybody do this please

I kinda hope people dont as it helps me win the 50k.

show me your tema and ill show you where the 150k could be used elsewhere.

If the fact that Gawn averaged 23 ppg over Grundy last year isn't enough reason then how about the fact that he scored 160+ on 5 occasions. Great VC option. I don't deny that Grundy will probably improve but I can't see any situation in which Gawn declines. He will still be better than Grundy, so by starting with Grundy you're automatically not going to have the top 2 rucks by end of season without wasting a trade.

traditionally top rucks don't maintain previous average, hence cause of concern over gawn for me... Jacobs, Goldy, Mumford, Minson... I think he's overpriced and will only pump out maybe 110ish. Still a better option than grundy though

[Holz]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

[enzedder]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

[Jukes]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

[enzedder]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

You can risk it and we'll get the biscuit.
Not only do you get more points by taking Gawn/Goldy you save a trade (potentially by having the best injury free rucks). Your point about starting an extra premium is valid but those who have an extra rookie(say in fwds) over a mid pricer by paying up in the rucks should also generate the cash that Sandilands might anyway.

[Holz]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

Geez thats a huge call.

1 year and a half ago as a 32 year old playing for a top 2 team in the comp he averaged 107.5

Given he is now 34 and playing for a team that was bottom 4 (despite being better then that in reality)

You either expect Gawn to fall big and Goldy not to go back to his superstar status. Gawn beat 2015 Sandi bya healthy 10.5 points and you would expect that margin to grow.

So lets call it 15 and Add to that he should be rested a few games so if you put in a 60 cover for 2 games. Thats 416 points lost or 19 per week.

take out the fact it could cost you a trade.

The myers/hibberd/cey into JPK/NealeParker bit is abit of a joke.

1. Myers is like 130k so it could maybe get you to a marc murphy.
2. Hibberd is a defender so your taking JPK + def rookie over Hibberd + mid rookie.

the real situation is you can go Hibberd + Sandi or Gawn + Def Rookie i know which of those ill take.

[fasttrack13]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

Geez thats a huge call.

1 year and a half ago as a 32 year old playing for a top 2 team in the comp he averaged 107.5

Given he is now 34 and playing for a team that was bottom 4 (despite being better then that in reality)

You either expect Gawn to fall big and Goldy not to go back to his superstar status. Gawn beat 2015 Sandi bya healthy 10.5 points and you would expect that margin to grow.

So lets call it 15 and Add to that he should be rested a few games so if you put in a 60 cover for 2 games. Thats 416 points lost or 19 per week.

take out the fact it could cost you a trade.

The myers/hibberd/cey into JPK/NealeParker bit is abit of a joke.

1. Myers is like 130k so it could maybe get you to a marc murphy.
2. Hibberd is a defender so your taking JPK + def rookie over Hibberd + mid rookie.

the real situation is you can go Hibberd + Sandi or Gawn + Def Rookie i know which of those ill take.

I'd say most people would be trading sandi to gawn before his bye...  You'd only lose 200ish points that way, i think you'd probably get that back easily considering its about 340k between the two.
Most would drop from 5 midfield premiums to 4, to try and get d.swallow (to allow gawn) who's probably only going to average 85-90 compared to the likes of rockliff/kennedy/hanners/parker who all go to 20-30 points better.
Then say you traded swallow out at the same time, you're still in a better position than when you had gawn.

so partially agree, all depends on where you use the cash from having sandi over gawn

[Holz]

Why don't you want to rely on Sandi?

2014: 21 games
2015: 21 games
2016: Collision injury that can happen to anyone.

2017: He's fully fit and will pump out another 20 games.

because he is 34 years old.

im not too happy with 20 games as a ruck. Its not too crazy to see him getting rested 2-3 games even if healthy. Remember he is 1.5 years older then when he last played 21 games.

Gawn played 22 and Goldy played 21 (one injury)

Exactly this. Durable beasts...100+ every week...set and forget.
Hoping for 44 games with a non playing rookie for loophole purposes. Easy.

But, the difference between Gawn and Sandi is what 300k+? I could easily see Sandi averaging about the same (5 points give or take) than Gawn and Goldy. Meanwhile, that 300k could be invested in what turning Myers/CEY/Hibberd/whoever into JPK/Neale/Parker or something like that

Would you prefer Hibberd and Gawn or Parker and Sandilands? You gotta risk it to get the biscuit...

Geez thats a huge call.

1 year and a half ago as a 32 year old playing for a top 2 team in the comp he averaged 107.5

Given he is now 34 and playing for a team that was bottom 4 (despite being better then that in reality)

You either expect Gawn to fall big and Goldy not to go back to his superstar status. Gawn beat 2015 Sandi bya healthy 10.5 points and you would expect that margin to grow.

So lets call it 15 and Add to that he should be rested a few games so if you put in a 60 cover for 2 games. Thats 416 points lost or 19 per week.

take out the fact it could cost you a trade.

The myers/hibberd/cey into JPK/NealeParker bit is abit of a joke.

1. Myers is like 130k so it could maybe get you to a marc murphy.
2. Hibberd is a defender so your taking JPK + def rookie over Hibberd + mid rookie.

the real situation is you can go Hibberd + Sandi or Gawn + Def Rookie i know which of those ill take.

I'd say most people would be trading sandi to gawn before his bye...  You'd only lose 200ish points that way, i think you'd probably get that back easily considering its about 340k between the two.
Most would drop from 5 midfield premiums to 4, to try and get d.swallow (to allow gawn) who's probably only going to average 85-90 compared to the likes of rockliff/kennedy/hanners/parker who all go to 20-30 points better.
Then say you traded swallow out at the same time, you're still in a better position than when you had gawn.

so partially agree, all depends on where you use the cash from having sandi over gawn

totally agree but the thing is i reckon most people who have sandi in the ruck have ryder up front (who i dont love so your compromising abit there as i reckon say Gawn McGluggage is better then Sandi Ryder. The other thing is if your ruck misses and you dont have ryder up front then your likely going to burn a trade and there isnt any good R3 i see. The worse scenario is what if you pick up a 1 week injury with Sandi you likely eat a donut or burn a trade.

If say you punt on a fwd def or mid - mid pricer then you just play a rookie for the week of the bench and dont take too big a hit.

The reason i dont take risks in the rucks is there is only 1 bench cover and they typically dont play or if they do they suck. I dont love any F/R

[RaisyDaisy]

Slight derail, but didn't think the topic needed it's own thread

3rd Man Up has been scrapped now, so that rucks will be able to apply their craft and battle 1 v 1, however do we think any of these guys will now drop in average?



From a #SuperCoach perspective, Fyfe had the best HTA% from 3rd man up HO since 2013 (41.4%). Bont next best with 41.2% and Parker 40.3%.

Do we think these guys scoring will drop a bit now?

[Holz]

Slight derail, but didn't think the topic needed it's own thread

3rd Man Up has been scrapped now, so that rucks will be able to apply their craft and battle 1 v 1, however do we think any of these guys will now drop in average?



From a #SuperCoach perspective, Fyfe had the best HTA% from 3rd man up HO since 2013 (41.4%). Bont next best with 41.2% and Parker 40.3%.

Do we think these guys scoring will drop a bit now?

Blicavs maybe but the big thing is the elite rucks like Goldy Gawn Sandi actually should go even better. Sandi is a great pick i just dont like his age, team and the fact he is coming off injury. Give me a 28 year old healthy Sandi and i see him going 120+

[Money Shot]

Only thing is can see happening is an increase in Zac Smith/Rhys Stanley's scores and a decrease in Blicavs score. Apart from that it won't make a huge difference as Wines and Bont will probably make up for the loss of points by roving and getting a contested possession anyways.

When I heard the rule I had a look at it my self but I don't really think Smith/Stanley are that relevant in terms of SuperCoach anyways.

Also back to the old convo I think Ryder is a great choice and I would be picking him even if I didn't have Sandi. Lobbe is out of favour and Trengrove is much better playing as a defender. This means Ryder can come in and do 80% of the ruck work and then sneak forward and kick a goal.

[RaisyDaisy]

Only thing is can see happening is an increase in Zac Smith/Rhys Stanley's scores and a decrease in Blicavs score. Apart from that it won't make a huge difference as Wines and Bont will probably make up for the loss of points by roving and getting a contested possession anyways.

When I heard the rule I had a look at it my self but I don't really think Smith/Stanley are that relevant in terms of SuperCoach anyways.

Also back to the old convo I think Ryder is a great choice and I would be picking him even if I didn't have Sandi. Lobbe is out of favour and Trengrove is much better playing as a defender. This means Ryder can come in and do 80% of the ruck work and then sneak forward and kick a goal.

Agree with all of this

Good point you make about Bont, Wines etc too

[Money Shot]

Only thing is can see happening is an increase in Zac Smith/Rhys Stanley's scores and a decrease in Blicavs score. Apart from that it won't make a huge difference as Wines and Bont will probably make up for the loss of points by roving and getting a contested possession anyways.

When I heard the rule I had a look at it my self but I don't really think Smith/Stanley are that relevant in terms of SuperCoach anyways.

Also back to the old convo I think Ryder is a great choice and I would be picking him even if I didn't have Sandi. Lobbe is out of favour and Trengrove is much better playing as a defender. This means Ryder can come in and do 80% of the ruck work and then sneak forward and kick a goal.

Agree with all of this

Good point you make about Bont, Wines etc too

Thanks mate! One Thing you might not agree with is I'm going for Jacobs and Sandi in the ruck at this stage. ::)