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Started by RaisyDaisy, December 12, 2016, 12:27:07 AM

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bowyanger

Quote from: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 09:57:39 PM
Quote from: bowyanger on March 10, 2017, 09:46:20 PM
Quote from: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 03:58:44 PM
Sandi/Witts
Nanks

For the YOLO.

I like it bud....balls out!! Especially with the new ruck rules and uncertainty that brings in potential ruck scoring

The name of the game which every 1 gets lost on is value for $$

If you pay stuff all for a big return then the result is profit...simple economics

$$ spent for points gained is the name of the game and if you get great return for the 1st few rounds from spending stuff all that you have managed to invest in wisely elsewhere..............then.....well.....

We have a truckload of trades now compared to say 5 years ago or whatever it was where we had to be really frugal with our cross trading / point chasing

If 211 or Witts start to slow down after a ripper start, its not a big deal to get in someone that has broken out or seems to be more durable

The question is...do you have the aggotts to stick with it on Rd 1 eve?
I actually genuinely think it's crazy enough to work, but the balls? Probably not.

It gives this team though:
DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams
RUC: Sandi, Witts
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank

Hugh risk, but the rewards would be amazing if it actually works.
Wheres the rest of the team!?

IMO....
Your strategy in ruck has  been lost in the rest of the team I think

There is no doubt that the new ruck rules are NOT going to reduce Gawns PPG simply because of his size - let alone his ruck craft...you have paid top $ in other positions where the reward / risk is greater than having Gawn in your side

Your strategy doesn't make sense ....but I don't know what the rest of your team looks like either

Huttabito

#391
Stock standard rookies more or less.

DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank, Hampton, Melican (EVW, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Hibberd, Atley)
RUC: Sandi, Witts (Strnadica)
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank, Florent, Butler (Eddy, Black)

Shaw/Marchbank/Jelwood -> Rance/Rookie/O'Meara goes Witts -> Gawn

I'm one of Gawn/Goldys biggest fans, I'm just not sure I feel comfortable if Spencer/Preuss are named Rd1.

bowyanger

Quote from: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 10:19:57 PM
Stock standard rookies more or less.

DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank, Hampton, Melican (EVW, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Hibberd, Atley)
RUC: Sandi, Witts (Strnadica)
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank, Florent, Butler (Eddy, Black)
Yeah ok

You have 7 players expected to be top 10 where it matters most in the guts along with Dahl, Shaw and Laird

You have 30 trades to sort your fwds, backs and rucks through the year...meh...it works for me...if your rucks fire and stay fit all year as keepers then happy days you will be tough to beat...which could...maybe...happen...

SC is 70% round 1 team selection prior to lockout, then 30% luck from there I reckon!

Huttabito

Quote from: bowyanger on March 10, 2017, 10:31:45 PM
Quote from: Huttabito on March 10, 2017, 10:19:57 PM
Stock standard rookies more or less.

DEF: Shaw, Laird, Tuohy, Marchbank, Hampton, Melican (EVW, Stewart)
MID: Danger, Pendles, Hanners, Jelwood, Treloar, Fyfe, Beams, Powell-Pepper (Barrett, Hibberd, Atley)
RUC: Sandi, Witts (Strnadica)
FWD: NRoo, Dahl Roughie, Nank, Florent, Butler (Eddy, Black)
Yeah ok

You have 7 players expected to be top 10 where it matters most in the guts along with Dahl, Shaw and Laird

You have 30 trades to sort your fwds, backs and rucks through the year...meh...it works for me...if your rucks fire and stay fit all year as keepers then happy days you will be tough to beat...which could...maybe...happen...

SC is 70% round 1 team selection prior to lockout, then 30% luck from there I reckon!
Sandilands stays and I always pick a R3/F7 throughout the season and Nank fits the bill from what I have researched so happy with him as back up for the price tag.

My structure really comes down to the R1 for me but there is just so much uncertainty. As above, it is a simple fix to bring Gawn back in. If Spencer is named Rd1, $645k is ALOT and I don't think I could bring myself to do it. Even though I know he'd be dropped after a week and Gawn would be firing thereafter. I think the different the MIDS will make should cover the drop in points for the rucks.

It's crazy, but sometimes crazy works.

RaisyDaisy

Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D

billnats

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D

I've had one of the two with Sandi this whole time and Nank up forward. But now I'm confused!

Goldy R1 & Nank F4
Or
Nank R1 & Buddy F2

GoLions

Quote from: billnats on March 11, 2017, 08:49:08 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D

I've had one of the two with Sandi this whole time and Nank up forward. But now I'm confused!

Goldy R1 & Nank F4
Or
Nank R1 & Buddy F2
Goldy > Buddy, and that also means Nank can cover Sandi if he gets rested for a week

enzedder

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D
They are.
I have been one of the most vocal in saying set and forget...
Goldy with TG% at 88% for 56 pts is something that makes you wonder, but v Hawthorn in 65TG% had a healthy 94pts.
Gawn with 81TG% v WCE scored 68pts, 76TG% v Carl scored 78pts and 59TG% v WB had a healthy 94pts.
I'm still leaning on starting both but if Nankervis does well again today... and I expect he will... I don't think he can be ignored...at the very least he'll be a forward in my team...having DPP could be of great benefit but the main reason is he could prove to be a keeper...worthy of holding a permanent forward spot all year for a $366k outlay. I know he has only ever played 11 games, with his best SC score being 88pts...but 129 v Rich from 79TG% and 89 v Adel 72TG% is compelling. Add Hampson is on the long term injury list and won't play early on in the season and Nank will have the opportunity to lock himself firmly into the #1 spot.
Some chance I could start with 5 rucks this year. Goldy, Gawn, Strnadica, Nankervis and Cameron. :o

crowls

Quote from: enzedder on March 11, 2017, 11:55:27 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on March 11, 2017, 03:40:44 AM
Goldy and Gawn doing their best to reduce their ownership %  ;D
They are.
I have been one of the most vocal in saying set and forget...
Goldy with TG% at 88% for 56 pts is something that makes you wonder, but v Hawthorn in 65TG% had a healthy 94pts.
Gawn with 81TG% v WCE scored 68pts, 76TG% v Carl scored 78pts and 59TG% v WB had a healthy 94pts.
I'm still leaning on starting both but if Nankervis does well again today... and I expect he will... I don't think he can be ignored...at the very least he'll be a forward in my team...having DPP could be of great benefit but the main reason is he could prove to be a keeper...worthy of holding a permanent forward spot all year for a $366k outlay. I know he has only ever played 11 games, with his best SC score being 88pts...but 129 v Rich from 79TG% and 89 v Adel 72TG% is compelling. Add Hampson is on the long term injury list and won't play early on in the season and Nank will have the opportunity to lock himself firmly into the #1 spot.
Some chance I could start with 5 rucks this year. Goldy, Gawn, Strnadica, Nankervis and Cameron. :o
Great reasoning NZ and this is what coaches should be considering with Nank.   Is he a potential keeper at f6/7 come years end. 
As others have highlighted Nank is not point coverage if Sandi goes down as the fwd rookie on the park for Nank will be the point coverage.  He may save you a trade if Sandi is rested or minor injury.   


Rucks this year have been extremely difficult.  I was Gawn Sandi Strndica for so long then since JLT and seeing these two ruck operations I have waivered.   It makes no sense to pay high prices for Gawn, Goldy if they start as two ruck setups and there prices will drop to low 500 for Gawn and maybe below 500 for Goldy.   sincerely hope both Goodwin and Scott abandon the two ruck setups early into the season.     Again this is a great reason for Nank as he will operate in a single ruck setup for the first part of the year at least.

NickyBoy

Goldys ownership is now 13%. Starting to become a nice POD  ;D

Money Shot

Gawn can drop 20 points and Goldy can drop 10 and average wise they would still be the top scoring rucks if all other rucks averaged the same. (Taking away Nic Nat as he won't be there for most of the season)

Although I see both dropping points due to Spencer/Preuss looking good for round one but I still think that they should still be the top two come seasons end.

billnats

What about Sauce Jacobs with these new ruck rules?

Mat0369

Quote from: billnats on March 11, 2017, 06:40:16 PM
What about Sauce Jacobs with these new ruck rules?

He is one I'm looking at in draft formats and also for a Sandi sideways trade potentially down the track.

crowls

Quote from: Money Shot on March 11, 2017, 06:12:52 PM
Gawn can drop 20 points and Goldy can drop 10 and average wise they would still be the top scoring rucks if all other rucks averaged the same. (Taking away Nic Nat as he won't be there for most of the season)

Although I see both dropping points due to Spencer/Preuss looking good for round one but I still think that they should still be the top two come seasons end.
So that means we can buy them 100k and 50k cheaper later in the season.   Use the free cash to buy points generation at lower price.   It is not always about whether they will be the highest scoring but at what price you can buy them at.

shaker

Maybe this year rucks are not going to be as dominant as years gone by most have put in poor scores this week Nank for one has come back to earth against Grundy he is looking like scoring about 75 SC and the Tiges are going to lose more than they win this year I am starting to go off Sandi a bit and having to have cover for him ..... decisions decisions