A disgrace.

[Purple 77]

Yeah I argued that Tassy should have been the 18th team ;)

Our major obstacle is that we are already a tapped out market. The AFL basically gets its maximum revenue from Tasmania, so if it put in its huge investments to get us started, it won't really be getting any (noticeable) extra gross income.

Eh. I live in hope. Still, I do look at the "Victorian teams v non-victorian teams" debate as a neutral, with great interest

[elephants]

Definitely Tassie, dunno about a 3rd WA team tbh

[Holz]

Definitely Tassie, dunno about a 3rd WA team tbh

Westcoast will always have their fans.

Freo obviously represents Fremantle

The area that is grwoing in WA is the north and we have a strong north v south identity.

West represents the west, fremantle basically the south and I say Joondalup representing the north. Will help as 1-2 more WA games to help the eagles and freo out.

i think its safe to say a 3rd WA team would get alot more people at the game then GWS GC, especially if they are a contender in a few years like GWS is.

[Ricochet]

Could work but it would destroy our WAFL

[Holz]

Could work but it would destroy our WAFL

your probably correct there.

Eagles and Freo pretty much did.

Joondalup got 6,090 people to the West perth v Subiaco game which is pretty crazy now that6 must have been a special day as they usually get like 1.5 -2k.

but pretty crazy that they can go over half an AFL game (at the offical home ground)

[Scrads]

I hate the argument re: travelling. Any disadvantage you have when you have travel away is countered by the advantage you get when other teams travel to you. Basically what Ele said :P

Vic teams don't have to travel so often, but they also play several home games with little/no home ground advantage. Interstate teams all only have 1 game which has limited advantage (against their home-state rival obviously).

I will concede the argument that it is unfair having the MCG as the staple GF match venue but ONLY when it's a higher ranked interstate team v a Victorian team. If it's interstate v interstate, it's a neutral venue anyway. Same if it's Vic v Vic. And if it's higher ranked Vic team v interstate team, they 'deserve' the advantage anyway. Having said that, it's totally understandable that the AFL has it there due to it's capacity. As a fan, you'd surely want the best chance possible of getting a ticket to go see your team play in one (if there was alternate venues, all clubs would have to significantly lower their current amount of guaranteed finals ticket members, and it would almost be impossible to get one outside of there anyway).

[PowerBug]

And that unfair GF advantage you speak of has happened 3 years in a row now ;) (Just saying! :P)

[Scrads]

And that unfair GF advantage you speak of has happened 3 years in a row now ;) (Just saying! :P)

Don't think it did in 2015, when Hawks beat Freo in the prelim they become the 1st ranked team because they beat the 1st ranked team ;)

[PowerBug]

And that unfair GF advantage you speak of has happened 3 years in a row now ;) (Just saying! :P)

Don't think it did in 2015, when Hawks beat Freo in the prelim they become the 1st ranked team because they beat the 1st ranked team ;)

I was just going off ladder positions but if you say that's how it goes :o

[Scrads]

And that unfair GF advantage you speak of has happened 3 years in a row now ;) (Just saying! :P)

Don't think it did in 2015, when Hawks beat Freo in the prelim they become the 1st ranked team because they beat the 1st ranked team ;)

I was just going off ladder positions but if you say that's how it goes :o

Well if you think about it, if 4th beats 1st in the first week, they'll still get a home final in week 3 even if they have to play 2nd or 3rd in that game ;)

[elephants]

Bassically what Ele said :P

If I had a dollar! Man its tiring being so right all the time

[Holz]

I hate the argument re: travelling. Any disadvantage you have when you have travel away is countered by the advantage you get when other teams travel to you. Basically what Ele said :P

Vic teams don't have to travel so often, but they also play several home games with little/no home ground advantage. Interstate teams all only have 1 game which has limited advantage (against their home-state rival obviously).

I will concede the argument that it is unfair having the MCG as the staple GF match venue but ONLY when it's a higher ranked interstate team v a Victorian team. If it's interstate v interstate, it's a neutral venue anyway. Same if it's Vic v Vic. And if it's higher ranked Vic team v interstate team, they 'deserve' the advantage anyway. Having said that, it's totally understandable that the AFL has it there due to it's capacity. As a fan, you'd surely want the best chance possible of getting a ticket to go see your team play in one (if there was alternate venues, all clubs would have to significantly lower their current amount of guaranteed finals ticket members, and it would almost be impossible to get one outside of there anyway).

The travel is tiring in my opinion it's a bigger issue then crowd cheering. As I have said ground size is more important then crowd noise.

Scg v ANZ is big for Sydney despite being the home team on both.

Being able to stay in your house to go to a game in Melbourne is far easier then hoping on a plane staying at a hotel. Then flying home quickly as opposed to driving back to your training centre to recover.

[Scrads]

I hate the argument re: travelling. Any disadvantage you have when you have travel away is countered by the advantage you get when other teams travel to you. Basically what Ele said :P

Vic teams don't have to travel so often, but they also play several home games with little/no home ground advantage. Interstate teams all only have 1 game which has limited advantage (against their home-state rival obviously).

I will concede the argument that it is unfair having the MCG as the staple GF match venue but ONLY when it's a higher ranked interstate team v a Victorian team. If it's interstate v interstate, it's a neutral venue anyway. Same if it's Vic v Vic. And if it's higher ranked Vic team v interstate team, they 'deserve' the advantage anyway. Having said that, it's totally understandable that the AFL has it there due to it's capacity. As a fan, you'd surely want the best chance possible of getting a ticket to go see your team play in one (if there was alternate venues, all clubs would have to significantly lower their current amount of guaranteed finals ticket members, and it would almost be impossible to get one outside of there anyway).

The travel is tiring in my opinion it's a bigger issue then crowd cheering. As I have said ground size is more important then crowd noise.

Scg v ANZ is big for Sydney despite being the home team on both.

Being able to stay in your house to go to a game in Melbourne is far easier then hoping on a plane staying at a hotel. Then flying home quickly as opposed to driving back to your training centre to recover.

Yeah, I don't see how that counters my argument at all? Vic teams play several home games against other Vic teams who 'sleep in their own house etc' whereas every team except the cross-town rival has to 'get on a plane/hotel' when they play away to a WA team. I'm saying it completely evens out.

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

[Holz]

I hate the argument re: travelling. Any disadvantage you have when you have travel away is countered by the advantage you get when other teams travel to you. Basically what Ele said :P

Vic teams don't have to travel so often, but they also play several home games with little/no home ground advantage. Interstate teams all only have 1 game which has limited advantage (against their home-state rival obviously).

I will concede the argument that it is unfair having the MCG as the staple GF match venue but ONLY when it's a higher ranked interstate team v a Victorian team. If it's interstate v interstate, it's a neutral venue anyway. Same if it's Vic v Vic. And if it's higher ranked Vic team v interstate team, they 'deserve' the advantage anyway. Having said that, it's totally understandable that the AFL has it there due to it's capacity. As a fan, you'd surely want the best chance possible of getting a ticket to go see your team play in one (if there was alternate venues, all clubs would have to significantly lower their current amount of guaranteed finals ticket members, and it would almost be impossible to get one outside of there anyway).

The travel is tiring in my opinion it's a bigger issue then crowd cheering. As I have said ground size is more important then crowd noise.

Scg v ANZ is big for Sydney despite being the home team on both.

Being able to stay in your house to go to a game in Melbourne is far easier then hoping on a plane staying at a hotel. Then flying home quickly as opposed to driving back to your training centre to recover.

Yeah, I don't see how that counters my argument at all? Vic teams play several home games against other Vic teams who 'sleep in their own house etc' whereas every team except the cross-town rival has to 'get on a plane/hotel' when they play away to a WA team. I'm saying it completely evens out.

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

would have thought the fact most teams play on average 2 games in WA where the WA teams play pretty much 11 games a long way from home is pretty self explanatory.

Then even if they are the number 1 team they at least have to play one game in Melbourne (the grand final)

[Scrads]

I hate the argument re: travelling. Any disadvantage you have when you have travel away is countered by the advantage you get when other teams travel to you. Basically what Ele said :P

Vic teams don't have to travel so often, but they also play several home games with little/no home ground advantage. Interstate teams all only have 1 game which has limited advantage (against their home-state rival obviously).

I will concede the argument that it is unfair having the MCG as the staple GF match venue but ONLY when it's a higher ranked interstate team v a Victorian team. If it's interstate v interstate, it's a neutral venue anyway. Same if it's Vic v Vic. And if it's higher ranked Vic team v interstate team, they 'deserve' the advantage anyway. Having said that, it's totally understandable that the AFL has it there due to it's capacity. As a fan, you'd surely want the best chance possible of getting a ticket to go see your team play in one (if there was alternate venues, all clubs would have to significantly lower their current amount of guaranteed finals ticket members, and it would almost be impossible to get one outside of there anyway).

The travel is tiring in my opinion it's a bigger issue then crowd cheering. As I have said ground size is more important then crowd noise.

Scg v ANZ is big for Sydney despite being the home team on both.

Being able to stay in your house to go to a game in Melbourne is far easier then hoping on a plane staying at a hotel. Then flying home quickly as opposed to driving back to your training centre to recover.

Yeah, I don't see how that counters my argument at all? Vic teams play several home games against other Vic teams who 'sleep in their own house etc' whereas every team except the cross-town rival has to 'get on a plane/hotel' when they play away to a WA team. I'm saying it completely evens out.

Let us all not forget the most important factor is the team you play against btw. I'd be more than happy for Hawks to travel to Brisbane for all 22 games than to play at home against Sydney for 22 games.

would have thought the fact most teams play on average 2 games in WA where the WA teams play pretty much 11 games a long way from home is pretty self explanatory.

Then even if they are the number 1 team they at least have to play one game in Melbourne (the grand final)

But the WA (and all interstate teams) have better HGA at home games, and more often than Vic teams.

West Coast:
11 home games, 10 against travelling opposition

Vic Teams:
11 home games, MAX of 8 against travelling opposition, but most often 4-5 (at a guess).