Roughead

[Nige]

Yeah, I wouldn't be kneejerk trading Rough when he's about to face GC. Fair chance he goes berserk, carves them up and pumps out a 100+ score. If he doesn't, then it may be time to reconsider, but even then a slow start was to be expected and I have still have faith he'll come good sooner rather than later.

[jvalles69]

Everyone talking about trading rough & JOM...I just don't see them as being that BIG of an issue that they warrant a trade after rd 2. They both have high ceilings and they'll both continue to improve as the season goes on

And they are both playing the worst team in the comp next week  ::)

2nd worst, Freo is the worst...

[Blues Blues Blues]

Everyone talking about trading rough & JOM...I just don't see them as being that BIG of an issue that they warrant a trade after rd 2. They both have high ceilings and they'll both continue to improve as the season goes on

And they are both playing the worst team in the comp next week  ::)

I know - I am thinking of trading both to Murphy and WHE. But I reckon they'll repay me by tearing it up this weekend.

BUT, in the long run, will Murphy and WHE be better long term choices?

[TomK]

Everyone talking about trading rough & JOM...I just don't see them as being that BIG of an issue that they warrant a trade after rd 2. They both have high ceilings and they'll both continue to improve as the season goes on

And they are both playing the worst team in the comp next week  ::)

Can't just use one opponent as a reason to keep them, they don't play them every week.

[piesfan1989]

WHE is every chance to come out and score 70 next week...No way would I downgrade roughy to WHE, when roughy still has upside. It's not as if he's floundering scoring 60s. He's one game away from getting his rythm back and it's probably going to be this week against GC.

Having said that, would I trade a fwd rookie like bowes to WHE? 100%

[Mongoose528]

Everyone talking about trading rough & JOM...I just don't see them as being that BIG of an issue that they warrant a trade after rd 2. They both have high ceilings and they'll both continue to improve as the season goes on

And they are both playing the worst team in the comp next week  ::)

Can't just use one opponent as a reason to keep them, they don't play them every week.

I see it as a reason to keep them this week and reassess next week.
I see this week as a week to fix up rookies.

[Bully]

If Roughie proves himself to be a top 6 forward then I'll bring him back in. At the moment I can't see that happening.

[TomK]

Everyone talking about trading rough & JOM...I just don't see them as being that BIG of an issue that they warrant a trade after rd 2. They both have high ceilings and they'll both continue to improve as the season goes on

And they are both playing the worst team in the comp next week  ::)

Can't just use one opponent as a reason to keep them, they don't play them every week.

I see it as a reason to keep them this week and reassess next week.
I see this week as a week to fix up rookies.

I see most using him as a way to get Higgins/Murph/WHE before they explode in price, if they are good with rooks then any of them are a good trade.

[piesfan1989]

If Roughie proves himself to be a top 6 forward then I'll bring him back in. At the moment I can't see that happening.

surely you can see the flawed logic in that? So he scores ok up until rd 2, you trade him out, whilst he's out of your team he scores really well and you decide he's worth having...that means you've missed out on all of the value & scores that you're basing your decision to bring him back in on.

Everyone in SC knows if you're bringing players back in then you're admitting a mistake.

[Bully]

If Roughie proves himself to be a top 6 forward then I'll bring him back in. At the moment I can't see that happening.

surely you can see the flawed logic in that? So he scores ok up until rd 2, you trade him out, whilst he's out of your team he scores really well and you decide he's worth having...that means you've missed out on all of the value & scores that you're basing your decision to bring him back in on.

Everyone in SC knows if you're bringing players back in then you're admitting a mistake.

Players are like stock, I don't get attached to names, just concerned with form & price. I trade Roughie to WHE and in all likelihood WHE is 50k short of Roughie's value in 2 weeks. It's a win even from the outset. Then if Roughie starts performning I'll bring him in with the 150k I have in the bank. Unlikely but I would never rule out any player just because I've traded them out.

Don't think Roughie is a top 6 forward this year. Don't think Hawthorn are a very good side either. Could be a case of premature evaluation but sometimes this game is about who you don't own.

[djtranny]

I trade Roughie to WHE and in all likelihood WHE is 50k short of Roughie's value in 2 weeks. It's a win even from the outset. Then if Roughie starts performning I'll bring him in with the 150k I have in the bank. Unlikely but I would never rule out any player just because I've traded them out.

150K is not worth 2 trades. This is SC rookie talk. Did you really expect Roughie to be pumping out 100's from the get-go?

[Bully]

I trade Roughie to WHE and in all likelihood WHE is 50k short of Roughie's value in 2 weeks. It's a win even from the outset. Then if Roughie starts performning I'll bring him in with the 150k I have in the bank. Unlikely but I would never rule out any player just because I've traded them out.

150K is not worth 2 trades. This is SC rookie talk. Did you really expect Roughie to be pumping out 100's from the get-go?

First of all it's correction week, this is the time to bring in form players and hopefully making a bit of cash on the side. The value of bringing in Murphy & WHE far outweighs the value of holding onto Roughie & Ryder. I've said it a few times and I'll say it again, I don't think Roughie is a top 6 forward this year. And no, I didn't expect Roughie to be scoring 130's from day one but I also didn't expect Hawthorn to fall off the perch like they appear to be doing. If he stinks it up next week what you will you be doing?

[Kano]

If Roughie proves himself to be a top 6 forward then I'll bring him back in. At the moment I can't see that happening.

surely you can see the flawed logic in that? So he scores ok up until rd 2, you trade him out, whilst he's out of your team he scores really well and you decide he's worth having...that means you've missed out on all of the value & scores that you're basing your decision to bring him back in on.

Everyone in SC knows if you're bringing players back in then you're admitting a mistake.

Players are like stock, I don't get attached to names, just concerned with form & price. I trade Roughie to WHE and in all likelihood WHE is 50k short of Roughie's value in 2 weeks. It's a win even from the outset. Then if Roughie starts performning I'll bring him in with the 150k I have in the bank. Unlikely but I would never rule out any player just because I've traded them out.

Don't think Roughie is a top 6 forward this year. Don't think Hawthorn are a very good side either. Could be a case of premature evaluation but sometimes this game is about who you don't own.

If you make a trade after round 2 you are admitting a mistake also. It's better than being too proud to admit you made a mistake I think. I wish I had taken WHE over Roughy, but is it worth the trade to pocket that cash? Dunno.
I would much rather read the pros and cons of trading Rough versus all this whining about Treloar being harshly dealt with by Champion Data. I have Treloar, think he will be a top 10 scorer, but he has absolutely butchered the pill in both games. If that doesn't matter to you, Dream Team is your game.

[Bully]

If Roughie proves himself to be a top 6 forward then I'll bring him back in. At the moment I can't see that happening.

surely you can see the flawed logic in that? So he scores ok up until rd 2, you trade him out, whilst he's out of your team he scores really well and you decide he's worth having...that means you've missed out on all of the value & scores that you're basing your decision to bring him back in on.

Everyone in SC knows if you're bringing players back in then you're admitting a mistake.

Players are like stock, I don't get attached to names, just concerned with form & price. I trade Roughie to WHE and in all likelihood WHE is 50k short of Roughie's value in 2 weeks. It's a win even from the outset. Then if Roughie starts performning I'll bring him in with the 150k I have in the bank. Unlikely but I would never rule out any player just because I've traded them out.

Don't think Roughie is a top 6 forward this year. Don't think Hawthorn are a very good side either. Could be a case of premature evaluation but sometimes this game is about who you don't own.

If you make a trade after round 2 you are admitting a mistake also. It's better than being too proud to admit you made a mistake I think. I wish I had taken WHE over Roughy, but is it worth the trade to pocket that cash? Dunno.
I would much rather read the pros and cons of trading Rough versus all this whining about Treloar being harshly dealt with by Champion Data. I have Treloar, think he will be a top 10 scorer, but he has absolutely butchered the pill in both games. If that doesn't matter to you, Dream Team is your game.

If you look at Roughie's scoring history he's a bit of a yo-yo, however, he generally requires 2-3 monster games to buffer the average. I'm talking 150-170 points which usually entails big bags of goals and plenty of touches. Can he do it this year? I have my doubts, the guy's just come back from chemotherapy and is in a side that is vastly inferior to the 2015 model. Everything is suggesting he'll be around the 85-90 region. Solid enough for his starting price but I can't see how he can compete with the other gun forwards. The other issue is what will you do with him if he doesn't do well against GC? He's really awkwardly priced so it may even have to be a rookie downgrade. The value in WHE is that his JS is rock solid plus he's making some good coin. If in due course both players reach some sort of parity then you have effectively put yourself 150k behind the eightball.

[djtranny]

I got roughie expecting him to avg 90+ and I see no reason to doubt he will make that yet. Aggressive trading early is only worth it if you think you have a chance of winning overall. After 2 rounds you should have a clear idea if that's a chance. If you think so then getting murphy/WHE could be worth a shot.