Which Fallen Prems?

[Ringo]

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-12-22/beams-confident-that-he-can-get-back-to-his-best

Very enlightening article on Dayne Beams.

Does this section cause some concerns or is he still a lock at the price.

"HE WILL have to manage a troublesome knee for the rest of his career, but gun Lions midfielder Dayne Beams is confident he can return to his best in 2017. 

Beams only played six quarters last season as his knee tendinitis flared midway through 2016 despite surgery in November. 

Forced back to the operating table, the problem was resolved as well as it could be, given the injury. 

"[I'm] still going to have battles [and] still have to be very diligent with it," Beams told AFL.com.au. 

"I'm going to have this problem for the rest of my career, but if managed it can be controlled." 

[_wato]

Might miss a few. Hopefully can play enough early that if a forced trade was to happen, he has some value to allow multiple reliable options to surface. Too good not to start with

[PiPies]

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-12-22/beams-confident-that-he-can-get-back-to-his-best

Very enlightening article on Dayne Beams.

Does this section cause some concerns or is he still a lock at the price.

"HE WILL have to manage a troublesome knee for the rest of his career, but gun Lions midfielder Dayne Beams is confident he can return to his best in 2017. 

Beams only played six quarters last season as his knee tendinitis flared midway through 2016 despite surgery in November. 

Forced back to the operating table, the problem was resolved as well as it could be, given the injury. 

"[I'm] still going to have battles [and] still have to be very diligent with it," Beams told AFL.com.au. 

"I'm going to have this problem for the rest of my career, but if managed it can be controlled."

Think I'll be passing at this stage. Going in with a couple of players coming back from injury so probably need to minimize the risk somewhere. Lions won't be pushing for the 8 so you'd think they play it safe with Beamer.

[DunnyBrush]

http://www.lions.com.au/news/2016-12-22/beams-confident-that-he-can-get-back-to-his-best

Very enlightening article on Dayne Beams.

Does this section cause some concerns or is he still a lock at the price.

"HE WILL have to manage a troublesome knee for the rest of his career, but gun Lions midfielder Dayne Beams is confident he can return to his best in 2017. 

Beams only played six quarters last season as his knee tendinitis flared midway through 2016 despite surgery in November. 

Forced back to the operating table, the problem was resolved as well as it could be, given the injury. 

"[I'm] still going to have battles [and] still have to be very diligent with it," Beams told AFL.com.au. 

"I'm going to have this problem for the rest of my career, but if managed it can be controlled."

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[djbics]

Might miss a few. Hopefully can play enough early that if a forced trade was to happen, he has some value to allow multiple reliable options to surface. Too good not to start with

Obviously the worst situation here would be for Beams to breakdown early with little to no cash generation (similar to this season where his two games netted 93 and 66) as there aren't any options as inviting around his price point. 

However the potential payoff is a player capable of averaging 105 to 120 for $432,500.  If he doesn't get up to premium output he should still make 50k-100k and provide a stepping stone to a fallen premium, or if the worst case does happen and he does break down early, trade down to any break-out stand-outs, or missed rookies and utilize the cash for upgrades. 

Too much upside to ignore imo

[fasttrack13]

Might miss a few. Hopefully can play enough early that if a forced trade was to happen, he has some value to allow multiple reliable options to surface. Too good not to start with

Obviously the worst situation here would be for Beams to breakdown early with little to no cash generation (similar to this season where his two games netted 93 and 66) as there aren't any options as inviting around his price point. 

However the potential payoff is a player capable of averaging 105 to 120 for $432,500.  If he doesn't get up to premium output he should still make 50k-100k and provide a stepping stone to a fallen premium, or if the worst case does happen and he does break down early, trade down to any break-out stand-outs, or missed rookies and utilize the cash for upgrades. 

Too much upside to ignore imo

Agreed but there a lot of injured players returning priced below 200k as well as a lot of spots opening for players previously out of favour...

Defence: Keefe, Scharenberg, Hampton, Kelly, McGrath (most teams only need 2-3 of these)
Midfield: myers, brodie (brodie will get games considering the suns midfield)
Forward: M.White, Ainsworth, B.Jack, McCluggage, Pickett (White and Ainsworth probably best 22, McCluggage probs not worth his price. Opportunity for Jack and pickett is what carlton have needed since betts left.)

then there'll be another 5-10 that no one saw coming - happens every year... then the round 2-5 debutants as well. as long as you cover 13-16 slots on field you should be right

[meow meow]

Fallen premium? Looks like the most premium SC of all time will be a POD and he looks cheap at $620,600. Come round 3 would you really be comfortable coming up against an opponent who has GAJ in their team if he starts the season with back to back 130's? The first rule of Supercoach still applies IMO.

[Money Shot]

Fallen premium? Looks like the most premium SC of all time will be a POD and he looks cheap at $620,600. Come round 3 would you really be comfortable coming up against an opponent who has GAJ in their team if he starts the season with back to back 130's? The first rule of Supercoach still applies IMO.

Disagree.

Danger, Pendles, Rocky, Fyfe all have better scoring potentional these days with less risk. Suns have said Ablett won't play as a pure mid and will spend a lot of time up forward. Yes he can kick goals up there but he just won't be scoring those 130+ games consistently enough to have him as I see a lot of 95-105 scores as well before he ultimately gets injured or rested as the season goes on.

Not worth the price tag.

[Holz]

Fallen premium? Looks like the most premium SC of all time will be a POD and he looks cheap at $620,600. Come round 3 would you really be comfortable coming up against an opponent who has GAJ in their team if he starts the season with back to back 130's? The first rule of Supercoach still applies IMO.

Disagree.

Danger, Pendles, Rocky, Fyfe all have better scoring potentional these days with less risk. Suns have said Ablett won't play as a pure mid and will spend a lot of time up forward. Yes he can kick goals up there but he just won't be scoring those 130+ games consistently enough to have him as I see a lot of 95-105 scores as well before he ultimately gets injured or rested as the season goes on.

Not worth the price tag.

go to agree. Others have lifted their game you could have an advantage picking him up.


its 2 years now since he has been a super premo. 2014 he was insane but he only played 15 games.

The big thing is will you ever feel safe with him as captain?

Im much more comfortable paying 100k more for Danger.

[meow meow]

B. Smith, Bennell, Cannon, Cloke, Wingard, Mundy, Redden, Watson, Greenwood, Scooter, Leuenberger.

Can't go wrong with any of them.

[shaker]

B. Smith, Bennell, Cannon, Cloke, Wingard, Mundy, Redden, Watson, Greenwood, Scooter, Leuenberger.

Can't go wrong with any of them.

You starting most them meow ?

[The_Captain]

higgins too?  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[crowls]

B. Smith, Bennell, Cannon, Cloke, Wingard, Mundy, Redden, Watson, Greenwood, Scooter, Leuenberger.

Can't go wrong with any of them.

You starting most them meow ?

Bennell and Watson only two I would consider looking at.    Bennell is a potential starter or upgrade target for me as if he is sound then he will avg 100+ in fwds and cannot afford to be missed.     Watson has too many other options to compete against to warrant the risk.   If he starts off well can look at trading him in, but again would prefer a fallen prem such as Hanners, Gray, Parker etc when they bottom out.

[sammy123]

im dedinately starting watto 50/50 on gaz

[RaisyDaisy]

Curious to get peoples thoughts

Beams and Swallow seem to be and will be very popular but what about passing on both and just going with a prem and rookie?

Would eliminate the risk they both present, and I'm looking at it seriously. Could be kind of PODish not having them too