NBA Season 2016/17

[jvalles69]

Don't mind Kyrie doing this, why have your career dictated by someone else (Lebron), has no input with Lebron there, unlikely to win the rings with their moves in the of season, rumours of them talking to D. Rose and Lebron all but certain to leave at the end of the season.

In saying that, on the other side, he's prob too young to realise the opportunity he's got to play alongside someone like Lebron...

[Holz]

Thoughts @Holz?

I think he is worried about Lebron leaving and being left on a rubbish roster that isn't suited to him.

If thats not the reason then he is making a big mistake.

The whole i want to be "The man" thing is rubbish.

Knicks, Wolves, Heat, Spurs.

Knicks - Joke franchise and im not sure he would eclipse Porzingas.
Wolves - Thib will stress defence which he doesnt play and KAT Wiggins Butler, he wouldnt be "The Man" there
Spurs - They have no "The Man" Leonard is a better player then him and he isnt even "The Man"
Miami - probably the only team where he would be "The Man" on court. But Riley is the real "The Man"

He has the 9th highest usage rate in the NBA and took the 5th most Field Goal Attempts.

If he wants more ball or more attention he isn't going to get it anywhere else. He could go to Brooklyn and get 35 shots a night but nobody would care about him.

I think the Lebron leaving thing must be a very high chance. It sure looks like it with Butler George avoiding, Irving wanting to leave. Billips turning down the offer. Rose 1 year deal.

My prediction is if Ball and Ingram are great this year we will see George and Lebron move to LA

[Holz]

Don't mind Kyrie doing this, why have your career dictated by someone else (Lebron), has no input with Lebron there, unlikely to win the rings with their moves in the of season, rumours of them talking to D. Rose and Lebron all but certain to leave at the end of the season.

In saying that, on the other side, he's prob too young to realise the opportunity he's got to play alongside someone like Lebron...

I really rate him but he isnt a superstar. He doesnt play defence and he isnt an elite passer.

He can dribble and shoot thats it. He is the best in the world at Dribbling but he isnt an all round player.

[jvalles69]

Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.

[Holz]

Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.

Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.

Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.

This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game

[LaHug]

Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.

Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.

Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.

This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game

Adding Rose to last year's Cavs does nothing. They took one game from the Warriors by setting the record for 3s and almost took another because the refs were very poor. At best, that improves them to a 4-2 loss but, most likely, doesn't move it at all. Meanwhile, the Warriors actually improved their bench.

[Holz]

Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.

Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.

Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.

This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game

Adding Rose to last year's Cavs does nothing. They took one game from the Warriors by setting the record for 3s and almost took another because the refs were very poor. At best, that improves them to a 4-2 loss but, most likely, doesn't move it at all. Meanwhile, the Warriors actually improved their bench.

Finals where alot closer then the 4-1 score

Game 1 where down by 7 at halftime. Williams 0/4

Game 2 down by 3 at half time, again Williams was 0/5

Momentum is a big thing, tied at half or up at those games could have been different stories.

Game 3: Lost right at the end, if where a few more points up then could have taken that game.

Game 5: under 10 point game. Plus if it was 2-2 or even 3-1 cavs the series could have played out differently.

Warriors bench was always good. Cavs got killed with their bench on the floor. Rose could totally change that, be an actual decent back up point guard.

Got to remember Lebron was only -7 for the series when on the floor. 

[plumdog millionaire]

Cavs wasted no time on Kyrie, D-Rose now starting PG and they should be able to move Kyrie for some decent pieces to contend next year.

Reckon we would have got regardless. Sad thing is id put cavs favourite.

Reckon rose would be fantastic off the bench. Providing much needed points.

This series would have been 3-2 warriors at the worst in my books so anyones game

Adding Rose to last year's Cavs does nothing. They took one game from the Warriors by setting the record for 3s and almost took another because the refs were very poor. At best, that improves them to a 4-2 loss but, most likely, doesn't move it at all. Meanwhile, the Warriors actually improved their bench.

False. Cavs lost 2 games in the finals by less than 18 points. Add Rose's 18ppg and they would have won those games for sure, so after 5 games Cavs would have been up 3-2.

[jvalles69]

Honestly, Cavs did not need to panic and make any changes other than minor tinkers for the upcoming season.  The East has been gutted and the West is stacked.  IMO there are no real threats in the East for the Cavs, but if you want to go there Boston, Washington and Toronto are it in that order.  These days a tonne of luck is needed to get through the regular season and finals unscathed/uninjured.  Cavs just need to win the ECF, let the WCF teams beat the absolute buggery out of each other and hope whoever they meet in the finals have been banged up enough that the Cavs hold the advantage.

Personally I don't think Kyrie will be moved as they won't get the value for him, don't blame him for wanting out considering there were rumours of him being traded during the previous season, same with KLove.  Surely there will be a bit of a rift in Cleveland now, but they are professionals and should still be able to go out on the floor and play like a team.  DRose is much better back up than DWill, hopefully he can take the hit and come off the bench and not let his ego get in the way, he should be able to do what Harden did for OKC which would be huge as the rest of the bench are hot/cold/shower.

[Holz]

Totally right Jvalles,

Warriors despite being in the tough west have not had any struggles in the playoffs recently.

Portland, Injured Jazz and Spurs without Leonard and Parker is not tough.

This is a rough view of the seeds

1. GSW
2. Rockets
3. Spurs
4. Timberwolves
5. OKC
6. Denver
7. Clippers
8. Pelicans

So

round 1: Rondo, Cousins, Davis
round 2: Butler KAT Wiggins or Westbrook George
round 3: CP3 Harden or Leonard and the Spurs

That will take it out of them.

Knowing the warriors they will probably have every opponent injured anyway.

Where as Cavs:

Cleveland Cavaliers
Boston Celtics
Washington Wizards
Milwaukee Bucks
Toronto Raptors
Philadelphia 76ers
Miami Heat
Charlotte Hornets


Hornets, Bucks, Celtics

tougher then last year but looks better then the Warriors.

[jvalles69]

Thoughts on Melo going to OKC?  Starting lineup would prob be Westbrook, PG13, Melo, Adams and Pat Patterson?  That's a top 2 seed in the West for me, solid 5 and 3 closers.  I rate them this high cos Melo goes up another level when he plays with top quality around him, see all international teams Melo has played on, arguably been the best on those teams.

[LaHug]

Thoughts on Melo going to OKC?  Starting lineup would prob be Westbrook, PG13, Melo, Adams and Pat Patterson?  That's a top 2 seed in the West for me, solid 5 and 3 closers.  I rate them this high cos Melo goes up another level when he plays with top quality around him, see all international teams Melo has played on, arguably been the best on those teams.

I love Melo on the Thunder but don't see it happening. Who do they trade to NYK?

[jvalles69]

Thoughts on Melo going to OKC?  Starting lineup would prob be Westbrook, PG13, Melo, Adams and Pat Patterson?  That's a top 2 seed in the West for me, solid 5 and 3 closers.  I rate them this high cos Melo goes up another level when he plays with top quality around him, see all international teams Melo has played on, arguably been the best on those teams.

I love Melo on the Thunder but don't see it happening. Who do they trade to NYK?

Kanter for one, maybe some picks if they have any?  Abrines, McDermott, Singler, Jerami...

OKC want to prove to Russ that they are going to give him what he needs for a title to hopefully get him to stay...this team would definitely compete.

[jvalles69]

Announced this morning.

3 x NBL clubs (Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane) will go to the US at the start of Oct to play against Jazz, Suns and Thunder.  Huge for the NBL, however it's during our regular season (kind of) and Wildcats and 36ers got totally screwed.  Just found out also that the CEO of the NBL is the owner of Melbourne United, if thats not a massive conflict of interest I don't know what is!  ::)

[valkorum]

In the press conference this morning the CEO said that the reason those clubs were chosen was to represent the 3 biggest basketball states - QLD, NSW and VIC

Surely going forward they need to award to the 2 teams that make the grand final.