NBA Season 2016/17

[killerbees]

Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.

Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks

No we didnt.  This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).

Yeah nah, like Mat said you owe Philly next years 0 protections - fleeced

[valkorum]

valk, Sacto trading with NOP over PHX = wtf??

We offered, TJ Warren, Len, Knight and 1st round pick and they went with NOP's "poo poo platter"??!!??

Now i'm probably over-valuing Len (and Sac don't need anymore bigs) and no team in the NBA wants Knight as the 'new' Rudy Gay (ie analytics negative poster-child) but Warren is a 23yr old small fwd who can score inside the 3pt arc (so not the current 3-D small-fwd) but still a starting quality youngster while Gay is out (and if he don't come back) ...

don't make no sense to me ...

You said it yourself, we don't need big men so no point bringing in Len.  We have WCS, Skal (my new nickname for those 2 are the Thin Towers), Koufos, Papagiannis

We don't need a guy who cant play 3&D - we need wing defenders (and lots of them).

I think that deal is worse than the one we got shafted with by the Pelicans.  Not one of those players fits a need for us.  At least with the Pelicans we get a 3&D with Hield and a young PG in Galloway.  We also get Tyreke who is good at driving to the paint and can play the 1, 2 or 3.

Re: next years pick.  Wow, I didn't realise we gave an un-protected 1st as well in the 76'ers deal. If it was just the current deal of players and current pick swaps - It aint as bad as everyone was saying, because we dumped a lot of useless players and their overpaid salaries.  (which we wasted in getting Rondo but thats another story)

[Mat0369]

It's not next years pick, it's actually the year after. I thought it was next years originally but you can't trade back to back firsts and since the Kings owed one to the Bulls they can't trade their first next year.

Because of league rules, dubbed the Stepien rule, the pick Sacramento trades to Philadelphia must be 2 years after when the Kings either send the pick to Chicago or the pick can no longer be conveyed.

It is an unprotected pick to the 6'ers and has been all along to go with the two pick swaps. With Cousins pending free agency this is why Hinkie is a genius. He set that pick up to land in the period where Cousins could bail on the Kings.

[valkorum]

It is an unprotected pick to the 6'ers and has been all along to go with the two pick swaps. With Cousins pending free agency this is why Hinkie is a genius. He set that pick up to land in the period where Cousins could bail on the Kings.

Except that we just traded Cousins now and potentially giving us 2 x 1st rounder this season and we still get our 1st round next season. 

[Mat0369]

Except that we just traded Cousins now and potentially giving us 2 x 1st rounder this season and we still get our 1st round next season.

They will still suck and next years draft appears to be meh. The top 5 pick the following year will be a lot better.

[valkorum]

Except that we just traded Cousins now and potentially giving us 2 x 1st rounder this season and we still get our 1st round next season.

They will still suck and next years draft appears to be meh. The top 5 pick the following year will be a lot better.

The draft might be meh, but generally the top 10 is reasonably decent. 

[killerbees]

valk, Sacto trading with NOP over PHX = wtf??

We offered, TJ Warren, Len, Knight and 1st round pick and they went with NOP's "poo poo platter"??!!??

Now i'm probably over-valuing Len (and Sac don't need anymore bigs) and no team in the NBA wants Knight as the 'new' Rudy Gay (ie analytics negative poster-child) but Warren is a 23yr old small fwd who can score inside the 3pt arc (so not the current 3-D small-fwd) but still a starting quality youngster while Gay is out (and if he don't come back) ...

don't make no sense to me ...

You said it yourself, we don't need big men so no point bringing in Len.  We have WCS, Skal (my new nickname for those 2 are the Thin Towers), Koufos, Papagiannis

We don't need a guy who cant play 3&D - we need wing defenders (and lots of them).

I think that deal is worse than the one we got shafted with by the Pelicans.  Not one of those players fits a need for us.  At least with the Pelicans we get a 3&D with Hield and a young PG in Galloway.  We also get Tyreke who is good at driving to the paint and can play the 1, 2 or 3.

Re: next years pick.  Wow, I didn't realise we gave an un-protected 1st as well in the 76'ers deal. If it was just the current deal of players and current pick swaps - It aint as bad as everyone was saying, because we dumped a lot of useless players and their overpaid salaries.  (which we wasted in getting Rondo but thats another story)

Hield is a horrible defender so far and Tyreke doesnt fit the modern game at all.

Warren trumps anything you got i tend to agree

[LaHug]

I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.

[valkorum]

I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.

I agree that both deals are crap, but I honestly think the Pelicans deal is better than the proposed Suns deal..... easily

[killerbees]

I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.

Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.

You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him

[LaHug]

I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.

Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.

You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him

I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).

[Holz]

I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.

Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.

You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him

I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).

Jimmy Butler stayed in college for 3 years and did nothing over his first 2 years.

still way too early to make any calls on Hield.

[JBs-Hawks]

Poor bogut

[valkorum]

Even Curry took a couple of years before he exploded.

[killerbees]

I think Hield has a higher ceiling than anything Phoenix offered (depending on how protected that first round pick was) but both deals are crap.

Do we think Hield has much of a cieling to reach? He's 23 or 24 now, he's probably almost at his ceiling, which is spot up shooter in rotation either as 3rd/4th option starting or bench.

You needed Jamal Murray in NOP to take him

I know he stayed a long time in college but players still improve over their first few years in the league. Lillard has improved, as a recent example. Jordan got better too and he stayed at college for a while. No, Hield hasn't looked great yet but he looks better than anything in that Phoenix deal (barring the pick being this year and not protected or not highly protected).

Lillard averaged 19 and 6.5 and won ROY

Everyone stayed in college back then and i'm not going to compare rookie hield to rookie Jordan lol

Curry is a solid example of coming on slow from small market, butler passed eye test as a rookie, Hield does not, he doesnt have the physical tools these guys did or the once in a generation shooting Steph has