NBA Season 2016/17

[valkorum]

Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal

Read my best case scenario.  IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)

[Mat0369]

Placed my first bet, James Harden for MVP @ $16.

Can't find ROY markets, Buddy Hield would be my smoky bet.

Get on Dario 'The Homie' Saric. Embiid and Jah will be on minute restrictions early and no Simmons for three months means that Saric is the starting power forward in that team and should play big minutes. He is going to stuff the stat sheet and shoots the ball well from 3.

So with JoJo out indefinitely this is looking like a good possibility. The Homie will probably win rookie of the year.

[jvalles69]

I reckon ROY bets will be supended now.

So sick of hearing, "trust the process", there is no process, you tanked to get good draft picks, dumped salary, now what?  ::)

[killerbees]

Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal

Read my best case scenario.  IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)

Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.

Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks

[LaHug]

Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal

Read my best case scenario.  IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)

Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.

Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks

Papagiannis is going to be a superstar.......

[plumdog millionaire]

Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal

Read my best case scenario.  IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)

Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.

Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks

Papagiannis is going to be a superstar.......

He's shooting 60% from 3 in the G-League so he's pretty much already there

[valkorum]

Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.

Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks

No we didnt.  This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).

[Mat0369]

I reckon ROY bets will be supended now.

So sick of hearing, "trust the process", there is no process, you tanked to get good draft picks, dumped salary, now what?  ::)

Under Hinkie there was a plan, a very clear one. Hinkie blew up the team in hopes of acquiring as many assets in possible and then parlaying those into a superstar. He used analytics to see how championship teams were built. The components of the championship team â€" a player in the NBA 96th percentile, a player in the NBA 90th percentile, and a third player in the NBA 79% percentile.  Find those, and the team is set.  Find those, and you will have your championship.

Superstars attract superstars, but for a team in the 6'ers position the best chance of finding a superstar is through the draft. They were a team devoid of assets and had a bleak long term future after the Bynum trade. He decided to blatantly and systematically tanking until they got their superstar while trying to bring in as many assets as possible to potentially hit on a couple of guys. This involved taking salary dumps for picks and flipping guys that were at peak value but weren't long term solutions (MCW).

They hit on a superstar, that guy is Embiid, he is The Process.  However with the injury and the subsequent second injury they had to take the best available talent to either try and flip or hope they develop into their top 90 percentile guy. Eventually it would lead to another year of tanking and the subsequent Simmons pick. It gives them optionality. If one doesn't work out, they have another, if they both don't they have more assets in the future to try and hit with, if they both do they have two of the 3 pieces they need and assets to either draft the third piece or on trade it for a third guy.

There was a clear vision and process to the whole thing under Hinkie, a lot of people didn't like it for various reasons. The fans with a short sighted view didn't because they were sick of losing, the owners didn't because they weren't getting the money they hoped for when playing a big market team, the NBA didn't because it made a mockery of the whole lottery system and abused the foundation they set up.

Right now under BC it's a different story, the way he handled the Noel/Jah situation was abysmal. He didn't capitalise on the value these guys had even though they weren't viewed as long term solutions. This culminated in him trading Noel for cents on the dollar where Hinkie would only flip an asset if he knew he could maximise on the trade value. He completely mishandled the
injuries of both Embiid and Simmons. The Embiid one is a huge worry, because not only did you piss the fan base off, you pissed your star player off with the way you managed it. He has a war chest of picks, money and a core of guys that should be a playoff contender shortly. All he has to do is not screw it up. He seems to be screwing it up so far. Right now if you're Trusting the Process it's because you believe Embiid is a superstar. I believe he is, so I'm trusting The Process, that doesn't mean I trust Colangelo to not F it up.

No we didnt.  This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).

2019 unprotected first is actually the 6'ers. Jusaying.

[j959]

nice summary of Hinkie's process Mat, thanks.
I actually would be worried that Brian Colangelo will f*ck up Hinkie's process but I'm biased against him because he screwed Phoenix and then skipped town - think he did ok in Toronto though??

Yeah so you got fleeced on both the stauskas salary dump and the boogie deal

Read my best case scenario.  IF that happens (which is possible), then we would end up with 2 x 1st round picks this season and better 2nd round pick than ours (which would actually go to the Bulls)

Yeah, but you also gave them next years pick, definite fleecing.

Also i wouldn't be trusting the current admin to make anything of the picks

valk, Sacto trading with NOP over PHX = wtf??

We offered, TJ Warren, Len, Knight and 1st round pick and they went with NOP's "poo poo platter"??!!??

Now i'm probably over-valuing Len (and Sac don't need anymore bigs) and no team in the NBA wants Knight as the 'new' Rudy Gay (ie analytics negative poster-child) but Warren is a 23yr old small fwd who can score inside the 3pt arc (so not the current 3-D small-fwd) but still a starting quality youngster while Gay is out (and if he don't come back) ...

don't make no sense to me ...

[LaHug]

Mat, I wish we still had the cheer/boo system because that was one of the best summaries I've read. Kudos!

[jvalles69]

I reckon ROY bets will be supended now.

So sick of hearing, "trust the process", there is no process, you tanked to get good draft picks, dumped salary, now what?  ::)

Under Hinkie there was a plan, a very clear one. Hinkie blew up the team in hopes of acquiring as many assets in possible and then parlaying those into a superstar. He used analytics to see how championship teams were built. The components of the championship team â€" a player in the NBA 96th percentile, a player in the NBA 90th percentile, and a third player in the NBA 79% percentile.  Find those, and the team is set.  Find those, and you will have your championship.

Superstars attract superstars, but for a team in the 6'ers position the best chance of finding a superstar is through the draft. They were a team devoid of assets and had a bleak long term future after the Bynum trade. He decided to blatantly and systematically tanking until they got their superstar while trying to bring in as many assets as possible to potentially hit on a couple of guys. This involved taking salary dumps for picks and flipping guys that were at peak value but weren't long term solutions (MCW).

They hit on a superstar, that guy is Embiid, he is The Process.  However with the injury and the subsequent second injury they had to take the best available talent to either try and flip or hope they develop into their top 90 percentile guy. Eventually it would lead to another year of tanking and the subsequent Simmons pick. It gives them optionality. If one doesn't work out, they have another, if they both don't they have more assets in the future to try and hit with, if they both do they have two of the 3 pieces they need and assets to either draft the third piece or on trade it for a third guy.

There was a clear vision and process to the whole thing under Hinkie, a lot of people didn't like it for various reasons. The fans with a short sighted view didn't because they were sick of losing, the owners didn't because they weren't getting the money they hoped for when playing a big market team, the NBA didn't because it made a mockery of the whole lottery system and abused the foundation they set up.

Right now under BC it's a different story, the way he handled the Noel/Jah situation was abysmal. He didn't capitalise on the value these guys had even though they weren't viewed as long term solutions. This culminated in him trading Noel for cents on the dollar where Hinkie would only flip an asset if he knew he could maximise on the trade value. He completely mishandled the
injuries of both Embiid and Simmons. The Embiid one is a huge worry, because not only did you piss the fan base off, you pissed your star player off with the way you managed it. He has a war chest of picks, money and a core of guys that should be a playoff contender shortly. All he has to do is not screw it up. He seems to be screwing it up so far. Right now if you're Trusting the Process it's because you believe Embiid is a superstar. I believe he is, so I'm trusting The Process, that doesn't mean I trust Colangelo to not F it up.

No we didnt.  This is the last year of giving picks away (or pick swaps).

2019 unprotected first is actually the 6'ers. Jusaying.

This is a great summary and completely agree.  I just think the fact that they keep using the moniker, "trust the process" is starting to get a bit lame when they are just hoping these guys get over their injuries and reach their potential.  I flowering love Embiid and hope he gets healthy so I understand what you're saying.

[Holz]

This is a great summary and completely agree.  I just think the fact that they keep using the moniker, "trust the process" is starting to get a bit lame when they are just hoping these guys get over their injuries and reach their potential.  I flowering love Embiid and hope he gets healthy so I understand what you're saying.

Im pretty sure its now more about Trust "The Process" aka Trust Embiid.

not the Tankadelphia

[Jay]

The funny thing is that Hinkie himself didnt even start the whole "Trust the process" phrase ;)

From an NBA fan perspective, it's just annoying that one of the smartest, clear minded, strategic GMs in the league got thrown out while we still have morons running franchises *cough* Vlade *cough*

[Mat0369]

This is a great summary and completely agree.  I just think the fact that they keep using the moniker, "trust the process" is starting to get a bit lame when they are just hoping these guys get over their injuries and reach their potential.  I flowering love Embiid and hope he gets healthy so I understand what you're saying.

The whole Trust The Process line is more in support of Embiid now. He is introduced as 'The Process' in games, he completely embodies it and any fan of the team that is spouting it is doing it in their wholehearted support of him and the team.

The media are bringing it up because they want to push their agendas again. There are two extremes right now without a middle ground. They are either stating that The Process has failed like they do every year, that the team is a disgrace and still suck blah blah blah. The other extreme is that we still need to TTP because it's all about tanking.

I can get the frustration at that and I see every d-bag on ESPN chiming in. The Stephen A Smith video is exactly what I expected, crap that is missing the point. They need to realise that the actual process died with the regime change. As soon as the Colangelo's were put in charge, the off court process ended. The chants that happen at games are not because of this, it's in support of the team and a sign of respect for what Hinkie had built.

The funny thing is that Hinkie himself didnt even start the whole "Trust the process" phrase ;)

From an NBA fan perspective, it's just annoying that one of the smartest, clear minded, strategic GMs in the league got thrown out while we still have morons running franchises *cough* Vlade *cough*

It's a revenue driven league and that's what it came down to in the end. When the 6'ers would travel to play teams the owners weren't making the money they wanted on the gate and it hurt the league revenue since they are a big market team. The owners complained to Silver to step in and end it, he hooked Harris up with Jerry Colangelo in an attempt to neuter Hinkie.

The other thing that was pissing them off was the fact Hinkie was a skilled negotiator. He was slaying teams at the trade table.

The agents weren't happy because he wasn't dishing out bad contracts to players. Instead of giving huge deals to second tier guys like Reggie Jackson and Chandler Parsons he was looking at team friendly contracts for guys like RoCo. The agents don't get paid if their clients aren't making the big bucks.

[j959]

I would totally go for PHX hiring Sam Hinkie to help out with a 'process'! ;)

And bring back Steve Nash in some capacity too wouldn't go astray ... not saying they have to fire McDonough but bringing these sorts of high quality people to and back to the organisation surely could not hurt?? :p