NBA Season 2016/17

[Andrew3747]

Who wins in an actual all star game? Line ups would prob be something like

West

PG: Harden
SG: Durant
SF: Leonard
PF: Green
C: Gasol/Jordan

6: Curry
7:  Davis
8: Cousins
9: CP3
10: Haywood
11: Golbert
12: Klay

East

PG: Wall
SG: Butler
SF: James
PF: Millsap
C: Whiteside

6: Thomas
7: Giannis
8: George
9: Lowry
10: Kemba
11: Howard
12: DeRozan

Tried to make it as real as possible. I think I go east tbh. They got better perimiter defenders (even though Leonard is the best), better shooters (starting lineup, Klay/Steph off the bench is insane), better passes. West have better interior defenders and 3pt shooters though and better players off the bench. Be interesting.

[Mat0369]

Who wins in an actual all star game? Line ups would prob be something like

West

PG: Harden
SG: Durant
SF: Leonard
PF: Green
C: Gasol/Jordan

6: Curry
7:  Davis
8: Cousins
9: CP3
10: Haywood
11: Golbert
12: Klay

East

PG: Wall
SG: Butler
SF: James
PF: Millsap
C: Whiteside Embiid

6: Thomas
7: Giannis
8: George
9: Lowry
10: Kemba
11: Howard
12: DeRozan

Fixed.

[Andrew3747]

Yeah Embiid is legt. I appreciate that fix!

[fanTCfool]

Where's Westbrook?

[R.Griffen]

Where's Westbrook?

[Andrew3747]

Only limited number of PG spots. CP3, Harden and Curry are better so he misses out.

[fanTCfool]

Only limited number of PG spots. CP3, Harden and Curry are better so he misses out.

You just lost all of your credibility man, not that you ever had any.

[Andrew3747]

I can show my work

Russell is last in TS, WS vs those guys. obviously PER, BPM and VORP are going to favor one star players. However if you couple all of the stats, it clearly shows out of the 4, he is the worst player. Can you show me how Russell is better than any of those guys? Kinda makes me laugh that you have Russell with inflated stats over any of those guys. Russell with KD couldn't even win. By himself he is obviously worse.

[Jay]

Obviously Westbrook's shooting efficiency is down given the load that he has to take on. I don't think that OKC would be better off with anyone else other than him apart from maybe LeBron. OKC has a great record in the clutch this year, and Russ has like an 80% Usage in those minutes, I give him huge credit for that.

But onto more important things, Coach Stevens is going to the all-star game :)

[Andrew3747]

You think Durant doesn't take this team further than Westbrook?

[Mat0369]

What was KD's record with Westbrook vs KD's record without on the Thunder? Compare that to Westbrook's record with KD and without him. If KD is a guy you would build a team around and Westbook shows he can carry a team on his own better then Durant can, that speaks a ton more volume.

[Andrew3747]

KD+Westbrook won 60/59/55 wins with 1 Final appearance, 2 WCF and were 1 game away from another final vs a 73 win team. With just Westbrook they are on track to win 15-20 less games and be the 7th seed. KD went to a 73 win juggernaut and instantly became the best player over a 2x MVP....

Its pretty clear that KD>Westbrook ainec....

No player can do it by themselves with LBJ/Durant in the league, but there is no chance that Westbrook has a higher % chance to win a game than KD does with the same team.

KD shoots better, he dribbles better, this year has shown he can defend better. He gets guys involved more. Oh.. and he does it on 10% less USG and 10% more TS%. Get out of here man.

[Mat0369]

That still doesn't answer the question. On the Thunder did they have a better record without Westbrook or without KD. I already know what they did together, I want to know what they did with the same talent when the other was out.

[Andrew3747]

Thunder with KD in 2014-2016

ORTG 110
DRTG 101
AR 16.9
FG% 52
TOV 13.48

Without KD 2014-2016

ORTG 103
DRTG 103
AR 14.8
FG% 47
TOV 15.74

OKC are 35-18 without Russell from 2013, finished with 59 wins when Russell missed 36 games.

OKC are 27-28 without Durant couple of seasons ago, finished with 45-37 and missed the playoffs.

[Andrew3747]

Whiteside with 17/11 on 8/10 with 5 ORB aqnd a block in the first quarter....