NBA Season 2016/17

[Jay]

Thanks, Atlanta! Celts coming for that #1 seed 8)

[LaHug]

Lakers winning 4 in a row has killed me. If we lose our pick :(

[Toga]

Lakers winning 4 in a row has killed me. If we lose our pick :(

Imagine...

[Mat0369]

Suns have won a couple as well to negate that. I hope they fall to 4 and we get 4 and 5

[Jay]

Anyone else not care at all about Westbrook's triple doubles? Just because we decided years ago that ten would be the first double digit number should not influence an MVP vote. Like, Russ put up 45, 10 and 9 the other day, that isn't a "triple double" but 10, 10 and 10 is? ??? Westbrook is in my top 2 for MVP and there's a perfectly good argument for him being #1 but it has nothing to do with "triple doubles". He's lead a pretty average supporting cast to ~47 wins and has won so many games by himself in the clutch this season. The guy has a 62% USG in the clutch and has a 57% TS (more efficient than Harden and at a higher USG) which is just unparalleled.

The other guy in my top 2 is Kawhi. 27.7 PER which is 2nd in the league, and 6th in offensive real plus-minus. Also how crazy is this stat from Tom Haberstroh.. "LeBron, Russ, Harden, George combine for 25.9 FG% in the clutch vs San Antonio." Guess who guards them?

I can't split them but I'm pretty certain they're my top 2. Might even have Isaiah at 3 tbh, he's 4th in offensive RPM and 7th in PER. Clutch stats: 46% USG, 65% TS, 55 eFG%. INSANE. Keep in mind the league average TS% is 55, eFG% 51 and USG 25%. And also that offensive efficiency generally goes down in the clutch with the defender dialled in. Has led a Celts team to ~53 wins and is one win away from taking the #1 seed off of LBJ who has far more talent around him than Isaiah.

[killerbees]

Anyone else not care at all about Westbrook's triple doubles? Just because we decided years ago that ten would be the first double digit number should not influence an MVP vote. Like, Russ put up 45, 10 and 9 the other day, that isn't a "triple double" but 10, 10 and 10 is? ??? Westbrook is in my top 2 for MVP and there's a perfectly good argument for him being #1 but it has nothing to do with "triple doubles". He's lead a pretty average supporting cast to ~47 wins and has won so many games by himself in the clutch this season. The guy has a 62% USG in the clutch and has a 57% TS (more efficient than Harden and at a higher USG) which is just unparalleled.

The other guy in my top 2 is Kawhi. 27.7 PER which is 2nd in the league, and 6th in offensive real plus-minus. Also how crazy is this stat from Tom Haberstroh.. "LeBron, Russ, Harden, George combine for 25.9 FG% in the clutch vs San Antonio." Guess who guards them?

I can't split them but I'm pretty certain they're my top 2. Might even have Isaiah at 3 tbh, he's 4th in offensive RPM and 7th in PER. Clutch stats: 46% USG, 65% TS, 55 eFG%. INSANE. Keep in mind the league average TS% is 55, eFG% 51 and USG 25%. And also that offensive efficiency generally goes down in the clutch with the defender dialled in. Has led a Celts team to ~53 wins and is one win away from taking the #1 seed off of LBJ who has far more talent around him than Isaiah.

Kawhi/Lebron/Westbrook for me, toss a coin i dont care who gets it all deserving

Since the All star break Lebrons +/- is ridiculous on that Cavs squad

[R.Griffen]

With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?

[valkorum]

With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?

Doesnt seem like the smart the to do

[Holz]

Anyone else not care at all about Westbrook's triple doubles? Just because we decided years ago that ten would be the first double digit number should not influence an MVP vote. Like, Russ put up 45, 10 and 9 the other day, that isn't a "triple double" but 10, 10 and 10 is? ??? Westbrook is in my top 2 for MVP and there's a perfectly good argument for him being #1 but it has nothing to do with "triple doubles". He's lead a pretty average supporting cast to ~47 wins and has won so many games by himself in the clutch this season. The guy has a 62% USG in the clutch and has a 57% TS (more efficient than Harden and at a higher USG) which is just unparalleled.

The other guy in my top 2 is Kawhi. 27.7 PER which is 2nd in the league, and 6th in offensive real plus-minus. Also how crazy is this stat from Tom Haberstroh.. "LeBron, Russ, Harden, George combine for 25.9 FG% in the clutch vs San Antonio." Guess who guards them?

I can't split them but I'm pretty certain they're my top 2. Might even have Isaiah at 3 tbh, he's 4th in offensive RPM and 7th in PER. Clutch stats: 46% USG, 65% TS, 55 eFG%. INSANE. Keep in mind the league average TS% is 55, eFG% 51 and USG 25%. And also that offensive efficiency generally goes down in the clutch with the defender dialled in. Has led a Celts team to ~53 wins and is one win away from taking the #1 seed off of LBJ who has far more talent around him than Isaiah.

Kawhi/Lebron/Westbrook for me, toss a coin i dont care who gets it all deserving

Since the All star break Lebrons +/- is ridiculous on that Cavs squad

Totally agree with you its a made up stat add to the fact he isnt contested for shots and team mates are boxing out for him on free throws to pump up his rebound stats. Im not buying this we want him on fastbreak stuff. The tripple double leading to wins is also totallty bogus, its the other way around, when they are winning he is able to rack up the stat sheet.

once i deduct 2-3 rebounds for westbrook for the above 2 reasons then Harden is equal on rebounds averaging 1 more assist a game and 2 less points. However I dont think having a high usage is a plus its a negative, his numbers are comparable to harden which means Harden is doing just as much with the ball 20% less in his hands.

I give it to westbrook his efficiency has increase but harden is still 1%+ better.

Then we have Harden with 8 more wins then Westbrook.


Lebron deserves it every year as the best player but is having a record stat year on another front. 25+ 8+ 8+ on 54% or better shooting. Its just as made up as a triple double and he is on 8.6 8.7 so im sure if he really wanted to he could pump that up if he didn't defend like westbrook and team mates boxed out for him then getting another 1.4 rebounds isnt hard. then he could get the extra assists if that was his goal.

he is also second in Real Plus Minus behind Paul (who we know how important he is to the clippers)

West brook is great on the offensive side but is actually a negative on the defensive side with Defensive RPM of -0.59

Now we are getting calls for greatest regular season ever, after the same thing last year for Curry. people its prisoner of the moment in action.

Wins have to be taken into account given the hisotry of the award. Everybody knows Lebron was the finals MVP in 2015 but he didnt win becuase his team lost. Same reason I cant give the award to Russ even though I dont give it to him anyway.

Who should win the Award, Flip a coin on Leonard James Harden.

who will win Kayne Westbrook.


 

[R.Griffen]

With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?

Doesnt seem like the smart the to do

Fark I win around 3k if Kings win 2 more games. I had a heap of the under/over total season wins from start of the season all of them are won except for the Kings who lost to Lakers the other day and basically killed my chance

[LaHug]

I think my favourite thing about Russ vs. Harden debate is that almost nobody is willing to say both deserve it. It's always "this is why the other guy doesn't deserve it at all". So many haters.

[valkorum]

With Clippers and Utah on same amount of wins, am I right in saying Clippers won't rest vs this Kings in the last game?

Doesnt seem like the smart the to do

Fark I win around 3k if Kings win 2 more games. I had a heap of the under/over total season wins from start of the season all of them are won except for the Kings who lost to Lakers the other day and basically killed my chance

I think you are gonna fall 1 short.

I think we beat the Suns and lose to the Clippers

[Holz]

I think my favourite thing about Russ vs. Harden debate is that almost nobody is willing to say both deserve it. It's always "this is why the other guy doesn't deserve it at all". So many haters.

Its totally understandable if basically the discussion is down to these 2 guys when you think there are 2 better players not even in the real MVP discussion.

everybody knows Westbrook or Harden will win the award.

But i think there are lots of people who think Leonard or James should win it so of course they are going to be critical of the above 2 guys.

The other big thing is Lebron and Leonard are all round players, who are highly efficient and play defense. Both Harden and Westbrook are offensive monsters but they are not all round players they have big negatives on Defense, Efficiency and Turnovers.

What can you say bad about Kawhi?

His team is winning
He is highly efficient
Has great defense
Doesn't turn the ball over
Is totally unselfish and a great team player.

all you can say is his stats dont jump out at you.

Its not a hater to say for Westbrook

1. He isn't shooting efficiently
2. He is very very high usage
3. His team is just above average
4. He doesn't contest shots
5. He turns the ball over alot.

every single one of those are facts then you can add opinions with strong cases for

1. not a great defender
2. not a good team player (Durrant etc.. leaving, his teammates FG% dropping, his teammates are almost always better when they leave)

[valkorum]

@holz

Take defence out of the equation - because we all know that means nothing when it comes to the MVP

[Levi434]

Isiah Thomas MVP imo.