NBA Season 2016/17

[Holz]

There is a huge flaw to saying if 'blah blah blah' had X usage they would be putting up those numbers. The more you have the ball the more room for error and fatigue. While I love Embiid, it's why I don't put a lot of stock in the if he played 40 minutes his stats would be this argument. You need to take into account a fatigue factor and the decline in performance when a player is fatigued. The fact that Russ is carrying the load the way he is and doing it on a nightly basis is incredible and shouldn't be diminished because he has his ball in his hands a lot of the time. You can say he is inefficient, but that comes back to attention he receives along with having to carry the load.

Its all true but the calcs where rough and much higher then what hes doing as obviously lebron cant average 35 12 12.

Westbrook has never been effecient though even when he had durrant taking attention. As he takes over and iso's its why he is so great as a sole star on a team. But with 2 top 5 talents and another allstar they sg
Hould have won more.

Can only imagine what a 26 year old lebron and durrant would do teams.

[Andrew3747]

Curry's 16>Durants 14. I'm fine with giving it to the best player on the best team I guess, but lets not start making excuses passed that for not giving it to LeBron. Def should be renamed Best Statistical Season if you want to give to the guy who has the statistical best year. Individually LeBron has given his team the best chance of winning a title since 2007. I'm way more filthy over Drose, Kobe etc winning it than giving it to Curry. Durant 14  you can argue but 73-9, had an insane reg season.

[RiOtChEsS]

Ya know what, we're gonna make the playoffs and nobody is gonna wanna play us...

[Cookie Monster]

If Thunder finish 4th Westbrook is a lock for MVP.

He's a very strong chance if Thunder finish 5th or 6th.

[Holz]

If Thunder finish 4th Westbrook is a lock for MVP.

He's a very strong chance if Thunder finish 5th or 6th.

just dont see it, his raw numbers look great but he's just so inefficient.

25 points from 33% shooting with 12 rebounds and a massive 19 assists but 5 turnovers in 34 minutes


however Lebron 16 points on 50% shooting with 12 rebounds and 11 assists with only 2 turnovers in 28 minutes


he is carrying a massive load but perhaps its too much. I reckon todays games pretty much reflect both players. Kinda depends what you value. I much prefer efficiency and not making mistakes. Plus he is only on pace to win 46 games.

Leonard on pace for 65
Harden on pace for 56
James on pace for 55

conspiracy theory but does westbrook go into this game against the nets with the plan of racking up assists as they where starting to dip below 10?

[Cookie Monster]

If Thunder finish 4th Westbrook is a lock for MVP.

He's a very strong chance if Thunder finish 5th or 6th.

just dont see it, his raw numbers look great but he's just so inefficient.

25 points from 33% shooting with 12 rebounds and a massive 19 assists but 5 turnovers in 34 minutes


however Lebron 16 points on 50% shooting with 12 rebounds and 11 assists with only 2 turnovers in 28 minutes


he is carrying a massive load but perhaps its too much. I reckon todays games pretty much reflect both players. Kinda depends what you value. I much prefer efficiency and not making mistakes. Plus he is only on pace to win 46 games.

Leonard on pace for 65
Harden on pace for 56
James on pace for 55

conspiracy theory but does westbrook go into this game against the nets with the plan of racking up assists as they where starting to dip below 10?

I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.

Also, Harden averages more TOV a game than Westbrook.

I'm not against Kawahi or Harden winning it and to a lesser extent Lebron. But if Westbrook pulls this Thunder team to get a home court advantage in the first round of the playoffs then I don't think you can look past him.

Also on the run home the Thunder only play 4 teams with better records, so there's still every chance he can get to 50 wins. Very tough to do so, but I wouldn't rule it out.

Also, I find it a bit degrading to Westbrook that people might think he plays to get stats.

[Holz]

I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.

yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?

if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.

add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).

once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,

[killerbees]

If Westbrook had teamates who could hit wide open looks he's average plenty more assists, i think the nights he spikes tend to be when they are making looks.

[j959]

I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.

yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?

if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.

add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).

once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,

Sorry Holz, just checking - you're not comparing the team w/out Durant to the team now??  ???  :o   ;)

Or are you comparing them now to the 10-game team from last season minus Durant??  ;)

[Holz]

I see it as, IF Thunder finish 4th, they only drop one placing in the Western Conference from last year after losing Durant.

yeah but dont games won count more then seedings?

if they win 46 games and finish 4th, thats quite abit away from the 55 games they won last year.

add to that they did add a little, so would argue they have a better squad then they had last year (excluding Durrant who missed 10 games).

once you take into account the east he plays for the 10th best team in the NBA out of 30 so only slightly above average,

Sorry Holz, just checking - you're not comparing the team w/out Durant to the team now??  ???  :o   ;)

Or are you comparing them now to the 10-game team from last season minus Durant??  ;)

what i was trying to say is Durrant is a huge out but besides that they improved a little bit (not close to Durrant obvisouly) So if durrant is worth say -10 games the other additions might be worth +3 or 4.

so with the 10 games durrant missed I take OKC 17 over OKC 16.

Not going to discuss this anymore. Hes clearly having a great season and I rank him then 4th or 5th best player in the league. I prefer effeciency then just raw numbers. If you like raw numbers pick westbrook if you like efficiency, making others around you better and defence then pick a Lebron James. 

[jvalles69]

Current order of MVP according to me.

1. Harden (just due to a better record)
2. Westbrook (unbelievable achievement if he gets it)
3. Kawhi (teams not stacked and they might take #1 seed, Kawhi da man)
4. Lebron (greatest player on the universe in cruise control)

[Toga]

Durant, it's DURANT!

[plumdog millionaire]

D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:

2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT,  1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!

[LaHug]

D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:

2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT,  1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!

:'(

[Holz]

D'Lo with one of the worst stat lines you'll see:

2/10 FG, 0/5 3PT,  1/2 FT, 7 TO AND he fouled out in 25 minutes!

its pretty terrible.

Almost David Wesley Terrible

0/13 FG, 1 Assist, 1 Rebound and 4 TOs with 4 PFs in 28 minutes.

however the most useless player ever is

Hollis Thompson

0/3 FG, 0 Rebounds 0 Assists 0 steals 0 Blocks but he did manage to get 1 Foul.