NBA Season 2016/17

[Holz]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED

congrats Jay and Boston,

i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.

[Holz]

All the lebron haters/ Jordan Fan Boys out in full force.

I just dont understand them.


ohh Jordan would never put up a game like this when it mattered.

ummm game 4 of the NBA finals, 6/9 3 rebounds 2 assist. Reckon that counts more then a series that is over.


this one still gets me, geez Lebron lost by the biggest margin in NBA history.

ummm 28.2 points 7.8 rebounds 4 assists 2 steals 0.5 blocks on 57.4% scoring makes you a Scrub.

but 27.3 points 5.3 rebounds 4.2 assist 1.7 steals 0.2 blocks on 41.5% scoring in the 96 finals makes you a legend?




I ran the numbers for all 6 finals. Jordan's first 3 where insane, best 3 year stretch ever.

36 Points 6.6 Rebounds 8 Assists 2 Steals 0.8 Blocks on 53% scoring.

but his last 3 where just average (amongst legends)

31 Points  5.4 Rebounds 4.2 Assists 1.5 Steals 0.5 Blocks on 43% shooting

this is what Lebron has put up in his last 5

29.5 points 10.1 Rebounds 7.2 Assists 2 Steals 0.9 Blocks on 47.7% shooting

so thats 1.5 less points but that on almost 4% better shooting
almost 5 more rebounds with 3 more assists and an extra 0.5 Steals and Blocks.

[plumdog millionaire]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED

congrats Jay and Boston,

i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.

I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.

But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.

[Jay]

Shoutout to Manu if that's the end for him. My favourite non-Celtic ever.

[Holz]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED

congrats Jay and Boston,

i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.

I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.

But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.

IT is the tough one, i think he has to go you just dont win with a small point guard your best player he isnt AI

If you can move him on with sonething for a george or butler thrn you can really attract free agents like haywood.

Imagine fultz or even ball with haywood george horford and bradley smart crowder off the bench.

[Jay]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED

congrats Jay and Boston,

i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.

I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.

But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.

IT is the tough one, i think he has to go you just dont win with a small point guard your best player he isnt AI

If you can move him on with sonething for a george or butler thrn you can really attract free agents like haywood.

Imagine fultz or even ball with haywood george horford and bradley smart crowder off the bench.

You're right he isn't AI, he's better! His season this year was far better than any Iverson season.. Compare 16/17 Isaiah to Iverson's MVP year, Isaiah is just far more efficient as a scorer. This Celtics team would have made the finals in that 2000/01 eastern conference too ;)

But I understand your point, and am probably one of the only Celtics fans who doesn't oppose the 'Trade IT' idea. When you've still got prime LeBron in the east and even if you somehow get through him you've got the Warriors I think you need to be patient. Draft Fultz, pair him with Brown, Smart and next year's Brooklyn pick and you're looking at a really nice young core.

[Holz]

I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT JUST HAPPENED BUT I AM EXCITED

congrats Jay and Boston,

i think it will just be a blip and Cavs take it probably in 5 but possibly 6.

I think any reasonable Boston fan would have been happy to take one game at home, let alone in Cleveland WITHOUT ISAIAH. This is important when you consider free agents considering Boston as well. The future is bright I reckon.

But man... LeBron has had some major puzzling performances in big games over his career. Top 3 player of all time and he's not a 'choker' or anything, just some really weird games.

IT is the tough one, i think he has to go you just dont win with a small point guard your best player he isnt AI

If you can move him on with sonething for a george or butler thrn you can really attract free agents like haywood.

Imagine fultz or even ball with haywood george horford and bradley smart crowder off the bench.

You're right he isn't AI, he's better! His season this year was far better than any Iverson season.. Compare 16/17 Isaiah to Iverson's MVP year, Isaiah is just far more efficient as a scorer. This Celtics team would have made the finals in that 2000/01 eastern conference too ;)

But I understand your point, and am probably one of the only Celtics fans who doesn't oppose the 'Trade IT' idea. When you've still got prime LeBron in the east and even if you somehow get through him you've got the Warriors I think you need to be patient. Draft Fultz, pair him with Brown, Smart and next year's Brooklyn pick and you're looking at a really nice young core.

no way Thomas is better then iverson. yeah shoots a higher FG% but its 46% v 42% AI put up 2 more points albeit it on more shots.

the big difference is AI also picked up 2.5+ steals a game over those 3 years. more then 1.5 over Thomas. He gambled on them abit but i have him an overall superior defender and the steals helped the sixers be the number 1 team in forcing turnovers.

1.5 steals might not seem like much but assuming you score on 66% of them that an extra +2 points and assuming the team was going to score 50% on you thats -1.5 for them. So thats a +3.5 just from that.

[LaHug]

Pointing out that IT was more efficient than AI is like saying Kobe was never good because he wasn't efficient. Efficiency is the most poorly used stat of modern times. There's context you need to look at too.

[Holz]

Pointing out that IT was more efficient than AI is like saying Kobe was never good because he wasn't efficient. Efficiency is the most poorly used stat of modern times. There's context you need to look at too.

Kobe was reasonably efficient  for a shooter though he was basically going at 46% for his rings which is really good. Shot 80% from FT so no issue with his efficiency.

AI when he was winning the scoring was like 42% or worse so below average.

its not a major difference basically just 2 points a game extra for Kobe v AI.

like Kobe, AI had other areas of his game which where superior to IT.

[R.Griffen]

Once again the NBA has killed the game of college basketball. Players being told to stay in the draft while they are going to be picked very late or maybe not at all. I concede that obviously the gun freshman are gonna leave. But anyone other than Grayson Allen who was a chance for player of the year has decided to stay in the draft. So I am actually respecting Allen despite his dirty play on court.

The only other big win for college basketball was Miles Bridges talented freshman a certain first round pick didn't even test and wanted to stay in college for another year

Huge losers was just team of Oregon. Was losing Boucher as a senior but had a chance to keep Tyler Dorsey who would have been nearly the best 2 guard in college basketball this coming year. While Dillon Brooks if he had stayed could have become the best college basketball player of all time so it's sad to see him go. Along with the likes of Caleb Swanigan, Tony Bradley, Frank Jackson, James Blackmon who all were a huge chance to stay now going to cost their team a chance to really dominate

[Mat0369]

There is no reason for players to stay when they go into the NBA, get drafted and actually make money. Do we tell our guys at under 18 level to stay an extra year instead of becoming a 3rd round pick and making a couple hundred thousand? No, now swap a couple hundred with a couple million. Second round picks is a different story since it's a non-guaranteed contract, but until they start paying college athletes for what they provide the argument is a baseless one.

[Toga]

Yeah I don't really understand the argument... If they aren't getting paid in college then what's the big motivation for them to stay for an extra year? Makes sense for them to jump into the big league and start earning.

[R.Griffen]

Yeah I don't really understand the argument... If they aren't getting paid in college then what's the big motivation for them to stay for an extra year? Makes sense for them to jump into the big league and start earning.

It's mainly just the system. More than 60 players excluding seniors are in the draft for a chance to get drafted. If a player doesn't get drafted they play D-League. Obviously if they can get paid, get paid. My main one is for players who rush out, ones who leave right away as a late first round or second round pick. While they can easily dominate college being the number 1 player on their team and pushing up the draft order Buddy Hield did it perfectly made up for not getting paid early by signing a huge contract a year later after dominating

Just frustrating seeing a player with a year or 2 left at college who would be a top player play 5 minutes off the bench and do stuff all

[Mat0369]

Mills, Mills, Mills, Mills. It's happening guys! It's happening!

Mills
Jackson
RoCo
Simmons
THE PROCESS!

Saric
TJ
TLC
Holmes
Sauce Castillo
Anderson
Bayless

[Jay]

Jackson? Think you could do much better at that pick!