Should Essendon be eligible for No 1 Draft Pick.

[iZander]

If Essendon get JOM via the draft plus pick 1 this supplements saga is nearly worth it :P

haha yeah, might see more clubs come out and take the year off, good way to tank ;)

[Bill Manspeaker]

JOM needs a Melbourne club, that will bring the best out in him.

Jaeger needs a new body to get the best out of him

I'm putting all my faith in this bloke on BF, he specializes in these injuries and he's called it this far so I'm backing him in

I hope we don't go after Jaeger. it really flowerin sucks cos he would absolutely perfect for us, exactly what we need, but... like I said I trust that guy

[Nige]

JOM needs a Melbourne club, that will bring the best out in him.

Jaeger needs a new body to get the best out of him

I'm putting all my faith in this bloke on BF, he specializes in these injuries and he's called it this far so I'm backing him in

I hope we don't go after Jaeger. it really flowerin sucks cos he would absolutely perfect for us, exactly what we need, but... like I said I trust that guy

I've heard the same.

No AFL player has recovered from the injury he did which is a pretty big worry.

It's potentially high risk, high reward. Clubs have to decide if they're prepared to pay the price.

[DazBurg]

what exactly did he do?
i know his knees are pretty bad but it always just says knee....just interested to know

(BTW i wouldn't be paying him 800k a year with the knee risk imo)

[Nige]

what exactly did he do?
i know his knees are pretty bad but it always just says knee....just interested to know

(BTW i wouldn't be paying him 800k a year with the knee risk imo)

Ruptured his patella tendon.

[Bill Manspeaker]

what exactly did he do?
i know his knees are pretty bad but it always just says knee....just interested to know

(BTW i wouldn't be paying him 800k a year with the knee risk imo)

Ruptured his patella tendon.

yep, and the guy I was talking about goes into detail of how he can't/won't ever get back to his best

[Grazz]

Although I don't agree with it on principle, Ossie summed it up pretty well.
Play on as is now I reckon.

[Ringo]

Although I don't agree with it on principle, Ossie summed it up pretty well.
Play on as is now I reckon.

Think this is the consensus of most Grazz and we accept it and move in. 

[Ziplock]

I just want to start by saying

1. The AFL said last year there would be no further punishment (so they will receive pick 1)
2. Like Ossie said, I don't believe they deserve pick 1, but I think they're completely eligible for it.

The first punishment was for bringing the game into disrepute.

They shouldn't have Pick #1 for this same season. But I don't think they should get an end of first round pick either. I think they should get Pick #9, and slide all the finals teams back 1 spot. Because let's face it, they wouldn't be sitting on the bottom with a full team, and they won't be next year. So why reward a team for cheating?

Ideally, they would be given pick 9 imo, or given a pick based on where they finished in 2015.

Didn't Carlton end up getting a number of high picks after finishing low on the ladder because of being punished by the AFL for cheating?

Essendon have already copped draft penalties so I don't see why they should keep getting more.

This.

Their salary cap cheating years were arguably worse than Essendons issues and they got years of picks.

I just want to say this is blatantly wrong. Using illicit drugs for systematically doping your athletes is basically one of the worst things you can do in sport- it's not only unfair to the clean teams/ athletes, it's also potentially dangerous to  the ones who they were deceiving. It's on another level to salary cap cheating, hence the stiffer individual penalties associated.

Of course not. This isn't their proper team. Why should they be rewarded over a team that is legitimately awful?

That's the best point raised in this thread, and why they're probably more deserving of a  pick where they finished last year.

Late to the thread...

And I think Essendon's conduct over this whole thing has been terrible.

But they've been punished enough. The #1 pick won't nearly offset the loss of reputation, players, being kicked out of the finals, draft picks and cash they've lost.

They don't 'deserve' it, but they are eligible. No issue from me.

Basically agree with this... I mean, the last statement, not the punished enough thing, it wouldn't be extra punishment taking pick 1, giving to them is if anything an offset to the punishment.

Know I started the post and agree a bit with RG here, If all Essendon players were available this year they would not have finished last. And personally I see this as a reward by the AFL take your punishment and we will give you the appropriate pick knowing full well it may be pick 1.

It is not my case of wanting Brisbane to get pick 1 as I would feel the same if it was Brisbane rather than Essendon as I still feel it is a reward for accepting punishment.

I see where you are coming from Ringo, but the current draft system already rewards teams making bad decisions (I think it is the right system btw), and therefore punishes team for making good teams. Same with salary caps (which I already agree with).

All teams that finish last are at least partially at fault for finishing last. Carlton, Melbourne, Brisbane, St. Kilda... all have finished last or close to last because of bad football decisions.

Fremantle, if they had a full strength side, likely wouldn't finish as low either. I wouldn't think it would be reasonable to say they should take away pick 3 from them.

Massive difference between making bad decision (aka melbourne for 10 years) and being rewarded to stay afloat, and having a club go through a period of strife because it got caught systematically doping its entire team.

Yeah but they got alot of punishment as stated above, and they were going to finish bottom 4 anyway imo, and tbh, other than the hype is there much different between 1-4? Especially since they are most likely taking a midfielder in the draft anyway :/

Picks don't count nearly as much as the system players are in, I agree.

If we looked at the top 10 picks from each year, I think in hindsight they'd be in a dramatically different order.

This is entirely true. The major difference imo is that pick 1 is never a spud really. Like pick 1 might not be an elite player, but they'll always end up a much better than average, while basically anything beneath 2 there's a chance you'll get a tambling.

And that's me done

To reiterate: They'll get pick 1, they're eligible for pick 1, they probably should only get somewhere between pick 5-9, but when it comes down to it I prefer to have an even/ interesting competition and pick 1 would help even it out.

[PowerBug]

Essendon have served all necessary suspensions and copped all fines and punishments. Time to move on and it start by letting them draft first.


Actually, they won't be drafting first this season, because they'll win this week and Brisbane will lose and Essendon will climb up to 17th on the ladder! :D

Over to you Brisbane.

[iZander]

Essendon have served all necessary suspensions and copped all fines and punishments. Time to move on and it start by letting them draft first.


Actually, they won't be drafting first this season, because they'll win this week and Brisbane will lose and Essendon will climb up to 17th on the ladder! :D

Over to you Brisbane.

haha, new questions...Do Essendon deserve pick 2?

[Torpedo10]

Delete thread due to irrelevance?  ;)

[Bill Manspeaker]

so how much do we need to win by tomorrow to Essendon off the bottom? it's like .5% or something

[Ringo]

Yep at the moment Bombers Percentage 60.99% and Brisbane 61.49% so only .5%.  Does not matter as we will beat Saints to finish above Freo.

[Jukes]

so how much do we need to win by tomorrow to Essendon off the bottom? it's like .5% or something

40-50 points or so I think