2016 WXV Awards and 2016 Rules Discussion

[Levi434]

Rio de Janeiro Coaches Award

Very close call to decide this one but in the end, the superstar forward Matthew Wright has edged out Robbie Tarrant to win Rio's 2nd ever Coaches Award. Matthew Wright has cemented himself as a dynamite forward of the competition and a place in Rio's forward line every game this year. Lifting his average by a incomprehensible 30 points over last season! He has saved Rio a number of times especially in the closing weeks of the season where his pals Aaron Hall and Mason Wood were both hurt. It's great to see Matty get a second chance both in WXV and in AFL and his Coaches Award can serve as a reminder that he was once being shipped around for a 3rd rounder. :P

Congratulations: Matthew Wright

[JBs-Hawks]

I still dont get it.

The bottom teams have good draft picks. As long as trading  is fair then as long as people draft well and identify talent well the bottom teams will catch the top teams. The top teams players also decline and retire.

If someone can pick up guns like Merrett at pick 27 or identify talent then why shouldn't thry be on top.

Rico and ele did it why cant others? Do we have so little faith in the coaches in this league?

Why do you keep arguing against the cap? Theres going to be a cap just depends if its points or salary.....

[Purple 77]

Just need nominations from these teams (unless I missed one):

Beijing Thunder
Buenos Aires Armadillos
Cape Town Cobras
Toronto Wolves

Actually, you'll have until I send the PM on Thursday morning, whenever that may be.

[iZander]

We'll go Ed Curnow unless Vinny wants to change it :)

[RaisyDaisy]

Pages and pages of discussion, and still no real reason to actually justify changing from cap to salary. "Because it's more real" or whatever is not a fact, just opinion

Show us how this is a real improvement, and not just an alternative. More so, why the cap just can't be tweaked to factor in LTI's and games missed?

Dont get me wrong I understand they both police the same thing ultimately, I just don't see enough of a point to change

Change for the sake of change is what it looks like

"If it ain't broke", gets said for a reason. Im all for new ideas that will improve World's but alternatives or pointless features won't get my vote

/End Grinch

[meow meow]

More so, why the cap just can't be tweaked to factor in LTI's and games missed?

Oz's method factors in LTI's and games missed.

Also puts a premium on performance, so spuds cost a fair bit less than premo's as they should.

I'm sure he could remove the $ aspect if he wanted to, it's just a different way of saying the same thing as the points cap would. I don't know why people fear the dollar sign so much.

[meow meow]

If you wanted to keep a points cap and make only one change to the LTI/games missed aspect the 100/90 method is the way to go.

But I for one think that the performance aspect should be looked at, so 2 Josh Hill's don't cost the same as one Dangerfield.

Could either use Oz's method, or discount the spuds as I proposed.

[Holz]

Other than your grating personality, what's stopping Dublin from trading in Beams and in effect having a cap 1200 points more than every other team? Throw in Heppell, Hibberd, and Hooker and you're looking at 35,000 vs everyone else's 30,000. You WILL exploit any and every loophole. I'm just suggesting a way to make it a more even playing field (even though Watson and Sandilands will whoop me).

Umm not having the trading chips to get all these guys and to keep my squad. Its a silly question really and unless i can find stars either in the draft or take punts on youth thrn i wont be able to get any more stars.

Whereas teams with top picks can easily find stars in the draft.

The way to create a good team is by evaluating talent like it is in the real comp.

What if Jay last year didnt realise how good bont was when you went after him well then pacific wouldnt have as good a list. If thry didnt draft him again not as good a list.  5-6 teams had the chance to take him, everyone had the chance to trade to get the pick to get him. Pacific did and props to him.

You drafted amazing and if you didnt leave and curbed your trading then you would probably have the best list in the comp.

Any way im out.

[RaisyDaisy]

The whole 2 x Hills equal 1 Danger makes complete sense, but what's actually wrong with the current cap? All teams are able to sit between 22-30k, and if you've got dud depth you don't want you can always delist them or move them on

I guess I just don't see a problem with Worlds at the moment in which we need to value every player and move away from the current system

The competition is just like any other comp in the world in that there are top teams, mid teams and bottom teams. Mexico is really old, Dublin doesn't have a lot of depth, NDT, Pacific, Beijing, NY etc have all improved whilst Buenos Aires did well, PNL and Rio where right up there and Cape Town is clearly playing the long game - a choice they have made on their own, not due to cap etc

Cairo were smashed with injuries but now get Picks 1&2 and Adamant is doing great things behind the scenes with Toronto

I understand the appeal of valuing players, but nobody has problems with staying within the cap and at the end of the day the coaches need to take responsibility for building and improving their teams. When you're a bottom team building up sometimes you need to make some big decisions - give up one of your better players to get 2 slightly lesser in return, build your depth and improve your overall 15. If you're not willing to do that, or you will only agree to trades that you blatantly have to win then you deserve to stay where you are

Kind of went a little of track there lol, but you get my point (I hope)

[meow meow]

Dayne Beams

2015 - Averaged 113.44

Under the current cap of 30000 he'll cost 159 points, or 0.53% of the points cap. May as well not even have one if there's players like this. That's what is wrong with the current cap.

If he played 22 games at 113.44 he should be priced at 6.43% of the salary cap. He played 16 and was priced at 6.05%. As you can see he already had some discount for games missed heading into his season. That is factored in to both of the following.

Under Oswald's cap he'd cost $617,824 or 5.47% of the cap.

Under my 100/90 system (with no discount for spuds) he'd be priced at an average of 102.09. Can't give an exact % since I cbf working it out yet but the cap would be something like 32-33000 so his % would be in the 5.34% range.

[DazBurg]

Dayne Beams

2015 - Averaged 113.44

Under the current cap of 30000 he'll cost 159 points, or 0.53% of the points cap. May as well not even have one if there's players like this. That's what is wrong with the current cap.

If he played 22 games at 113.44 he should be priced at 6.43% of the salary cap. He played 16 and was priced at 6.05%. As you can see he already had some discount for games missed heading into his season. That is factored in to both of the following.

Under Oswald's cap he'd cost $617,824 or 5.47% of the cap.

Under my 100/90 system (with no discount for spuds) he'd be priced at an average of 102.09. Can't give an exact % since I cbf working it out yet but the cap would be something like 32-33000 so his % would be in the 5.34% range.

but on the other hand what about the likes of say Sandi?
injured alot this season
107 last year but tbh looks far from being worth that for next season
(i know only 90% charge but seems a far way from that atm)

Swan?
if he decides to go on do we charge him at 90% of 105.9?
with his age and injury cannot be worth that

if he is worth that how about ppl cough up those first rounders for him?
no they won't they'll say to big of a risk not worth anywhere near that but still we are expected to pay that price?

either way we will be under the cap so not the problem there

but it is like how holz points out the older ones get charged more then the youth should

*not saying we should charge for youth but in saying that hard to charge the older ones when not peak either unless there is a veteran's list or something :P )

i mean i get that Cairo get beams for cheap as chips

but as Rd brought up at one stage
they already suffered by not having him for most of year

option A). He plays each week he stars they have to pay what his worth but get to be way more competitive and win games


option b). Hardly plays yeah they get off in the cap but we all seen how it affected them on a scoring level
(suppose you can argue they got better draft picks but i highly doubt any coach in this league plays to sit their and lose each week)

[RaisyDaisy]

Daz, I think you're confused, The cap/salary has nothing to do with trading and a players worth from that perspective

[RaisyDaisy]

Dayne Beams

2015 - Averaged 113.44

Under the current cap of 30000 he'll cost 159 points, or 0.53% of the points cap. May as well not even have one if there's players like this. That's what is wrong with the current cap.

This is the problem, which can be easily fixed

Under my 100/90 system (with no discount for spuds) he'd be priced at an average of 102.09. Can't give an exact % since I cbf working it out yet but the cap would be something like 32-33000 so his % would be in the 5.34% range.

I like this too, because valuing him at 102.09, or 1020.9 cap points is spot on IMO, because the team gets him discounted which I think is fair considering they didn't have him at all for the year but he still takes a reasonable allocation of the cap based off his worth

[GoLions]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

[RaisyDaisy]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

Sounds like something a chump would say

Yes GL, a chump

;)